I’ve been having a long term one for a month. The bastard just isn’t going to give up, I’ve done everything, taken him on movie dates, had drawn-out makeout sessions, actually had sex, but the bastard just isn’t giving up!
Hmm, this sounds like a thiny veiled shot at another comic writer I can think of…and yes, the will they or won’t they storyline in the comic being referenced irritated me a great deal.
Must be referencing Dumbing of Age. With all the shipping that goes on over there in the comments, you almost get the impression that the entire cast is in a constant state of “will they, won’t they” – even if it’s not canon.
Didn’t the Faye/Marten stuff stop at strip 500? And they’re well past strip 2000 now. Seems like an odd thing to continue to begrudge. It was in 2005, man!
When someone says they want to avoid a situation that crops up in thousands of works of entertainment without including any references to specific elements of another one, even if it were a shot it would hardly be thinly-veiled (and it’s probably not a shot at any one series).
Well, what Willis seems to keep getting at, and nobody seems to digest, is that Ethan is a round character that’s also gay. If you’re not gay, that’s tough to write. It’s easy for a stereotypical heterosexual to write a stereotypical homosexual, but for a typical man to write a typical man who does not share the same sexual interests is much harder. Well… I suppose I’m glossing over the hundreds upon hundreds of Transformers, aren’t I? =P
Kudos to David on the creation of Ethan. I even forget he’s gay from time to time, and I think that’s sort-of the point. Why bother pigeon-holing people based on their sex when you can just enjoy characters (people) for who they are, and their complexities!
It’s actually isn’t that hard. A straight man can imagine himself, if he were into men. Sexuality is just one part of someone, it’s not everything. A straight man can imagine someone exactly like himself except for that one thing and the experiences informed by being attracted to the same sex that the straight guy wouldn’t have gone through, like rejection from parents and homophobia. I admit it takes a straight person with awareness and empathy to write about those experiences, since most straight people could give a crap, it sometimes seems.
The point is that there is nuances in how somebody’s personality develops over time due to socialization in light of their sexual orientation (wherever on the scale it falls). In the world, as it is today, being publicly gay changes how people interact with you, and eventually your outlook. That, and his internal struggle in the early pages. Ethan exhibits a believable character because there is nuance. Nuance is not easy to write.
Say what you will, but from me to Willis, Ethan is a very well done character. Ethan’s exceptionally well done when you consider that he wasn’t part of the life-time development cycle that the Walkyverse characters went through.
If anybody who outwardly calls themselves gay would like to say otherwise, I’m always open to learning!
Was wrestling in pudding with Ethan also autobiographical?
no wait
Losing…or winning?
What are the rules for playing Gay Chicken?
Well, first you need a chicken…
*nods* go on…
Preferably a rooster.
It’s like this old drinking and driving PSA, but with boners and without glass breaking. Usually.
Also, nobody dies. But there is a comedy BWOING if one of the boners doesn’t veer to the side.
This is a convoluted simile.
So in other words, if no one chickens out, one of them will end up in the shit?
No. The comedy BWOING. You’re going for head to head collision, or “horns touching” if you’re that sort of brony.
Alternatively, I guess you’d get the lightsaber-Schwartz-sparking thing from Spaceballs.
Spaceballs, now that’s a reference I am familiar with.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nH_TGLJ6sBA
That’s one game you don’t want people taking out of context.
http://thepunchlineismachismo.com/archives/529
The first one to look away reveals his weak, woman-like nerves.
Though I think these two might be playing a different version.
So what does the winner get? Top?
Both sides try to out-gay each other. Whoever chickens out of the gay contest first loses.
I’ve been having a long term one for a month. The bastard just isn’t going to give up, I’ve done everything, taken him on movie dates, had drawn-out makeout sessions, actually had sex, but the bastard just isn’t giving up!
Don’t worry Willis, you’re excused… this time.
“wanted to prevent will they or won’t they”
Hmm, this sounds like a thiny veiled shot at another comic writer I can think of…and yes, the will they or won’t they storyline in the comic being referenced irritated me a great deal.
It is not a shot at anything. Absolutely not.
All I was saying was I honestly didn’t want to retread a story situation which I’d just spent seven years on across “Roomies!” and “It’s Walky!”
I don’t even know what work you think I’m veiling shots towards. And please don’t respond with the answer. I don’t really want to know.
Must be referencing Dumbing of Age. With all the shipping that goes on over there in the comments, you almost get the impression that the entire cast is in a constant state of “will they, won’t they” – even if it’s not canon.
I doubt that. C specifically said it was another writer.
Yup. Jeph Jacques–Questionable Content, and the will they or won’t they storyline of the main character Marten and his friend/roommate Faye.
I was making a joke to ease the mood, you weren’t supposed to spoil it the answer!…
…Way to divide by zero.
Oh, sorry. *checks arms* Nope, no puppet strings.
In that case, not sorry.
Did you check for tallies though? You never know who is around that you can’t remember.
Didn’t the Faye/Marten stuff stop at strip 500? And they’re well past strip 2000 now. Seems like an odd thing to continue to begrudge. It was in 2005, man!
When someone says they want to avoid a situation that crops up in thousands of works of entertainment without including any references to specific elements of another one, even if it were a shot it would hardly be thinly-veiled (and it’s probably not a shot at any one series).
I always wondered about the Rob Corddry thing!
Also: I wish more writers would recognise when they’re about to fall into a pattern and try to branch out. Looking at you, mainstream television.
Best depiction of gay chicken on radio:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asYgGG-Ul0M
Best take on gay chicken ever:
http://thepunchlineismachismo.com/archives/910
“Only way to win is not to play.”
Wiser words were never spoken.
That is actually totally awesome to know!
Watson/Willis, Gay Chicken: pics or it didn’t happen.
Just read shortpacked from issue one to here in a little less than a week. Oh well…on to my next distraction.
“yes, and so far you’re losing”
..yep, just confirmed that the game’s still on, and so far Willis is willing, i mean winning.
Gay comedy is “New Territory?” Try rediculously Cliche.
Yes, because if a gay guy is in something humorous, OBVIOUSLY that makes it a “gay comedy,” because DUH.
In related news, “I Am Legend” is blaxploitation because it had Will Smith in it.
And Return of the Jedi is racist because of its depiction of fish as Ackbar.
He clearly said it was new territory for him, after Roomies and It’s Walky.
Also, while the gay comic relief is incredibly cliché, I give you that, a gay character whose whole personality is not about his sexuality but is a person who happens to be gay is still quite rare in entertainment, don’t you think?
Well, what Willis seems to keep getting at, and nobody seems to digest, is that Ethan is a round character that’s also gay. If you’re not gay, that’s tough to write. It’s easy for a stereotypical heterosexual to write a stereotypical homosexual, but for a typical man to write a typical man who does not share the same sexual interests is much harder. Well… I suppose I’m glossing over the hundreds upon hundreds of Transformers, aren’t I? =P
Kudos to David on the creation of Ethan. I even forget he’s gay from time to time, and I think that’s sort-of the point. Why bother pigeon-holing people based on their sex when you can just enjoy characters (people) for who they are, and their complexities!
It’s actually isn’t that hard. A straight man can imagine himself, if he were into men. Sexuality is just one part of someone, it’s not everything. A straight man can imagine someone exactly like himself except for that one thing and the experiences informed by being attracted to the same sex that the straight guy wouldn’t have gone through, like rejection from parents and homophobia. I admit it takes a straight person with awareness and empathy to write about those experiences, since most straight people could give a crap, it sometimes seems.
The point is that there is nuances in how somebody’s personality develops over time due to socialization in light of their sexual orientation (wherever on the scale it falls). In the world, as it is today, being publicly gay changes how people interact with you, and eventually your outlook. That, and his internal struggle in the early pages. Ethan exhibits a believable character because there is nuance. Nuance is not easy to write.
Say what you will, but from me to Willis, Ethan is a very well done character. Ethan’s exceptionally well done when you consider that he wasn’t part of the life-time development cycle that the Walkyverse characters went through.
If anybody who outwardly calls themselves gay would like to say otherwise, I’m always open to learning!
I bet Mako also goes on Hulu and writes that Glee is forcing gays down our throat by having a storyline about a jock coming out.
Or something. I lost it halfway.
What is gay chicken?