Finally the promised spoilery Dark of the Moon strip! And I’ve warned you twice and I put little spoilery warning space at the top of the comic, so don’t come crawling to me with regrets! I will merely sit aloft my silvery tower and laugh.
AMEN! I’m a freelance filmmaker and if you don’t have multiple things in various stages of development going at all times you might as well call yourself unemployed. Megatron is my muse as far as work-ethic goes… the man just DOES. NOT. STOP!
Revenge of the Fallen was almost entirely written by him if I recall, though he’s uncredited. Considering the mess that was, I think it’s safe to say he’s still an amateur.
I love how he tries to blame it all on the writer’s strike. How exactly was a lack of writers to blame for crappy visuals like characters climbing The Khafre Pyramid while The Khafre Pyramid is simultaneously off in the background? I mean, that’s no minor continuity error. A whole chunk of the movie focuses directly on The Khafre Pyramid… it’s visually distinct from the other Pyramids, and it’s shown to viewers again, and again, and again… and then it just shows up off in the background as filler, like no one will notice.
Thank you! Story doesn’t have to be amazing for an action/fx movie to be enjoyable…but at least give the thing a basic, descent story. (and I’m just talking in general here…didn’t like the 1st movie so I didn’t even see revenge of the fallen )
First movie was meh, enjoyable enough. Second movie was a steaming pile.
Third one was better than the second, but still showcases Bay’s personal foibles to the Nth degree and stubbornly insists on keeping every stupid character that I’ve wanted to see squashed into goo for years.
Such as every single Witwicky. They were entertaining (sort of) in the 80s. They’re the most annoying characters ever written in the new movies. To hell with the parents, too hell with Shia, and even to hell with the dogs.
Really? My impression from the comercials was that there wasn’t a plot at all. Just two drawn out hours of cars beatin the shit out of eachother and people talking without mea… ning… any… thing… Goddammit Michael Bay just sold us NASCAR.
and millions of people bought it hook, line, and sinker…
… oh well. I’ve loved the tranformers movies (even ROTF to a much lesser degree). I’m content to enter the theatre to see transformers and expect nothing more than huge action sequences and beautiful imagery…. that way I leave getting EXACTLY what I went in to get.
At one point in the trailers they were mentioning “the decepticons have been planning this for a hundred years” and I was wondering “Wait. . .how. . .and why?”
since the moon landing… which makes since. It was Megatron and Sentinel’s plan originally. but was executed primarily by the other decepticons in their absence
They actually said at one point that they weren’t entirely sure Megatron was alien in one of the tie in comics for either the first movie or RotF. Apollo 11 confirmed it. That’s why they weren’t terribly surprised by the Mars rover footage in the first movie, they had proof by then that he was one of them and they were alien but still no idea where they came from. Apollo 11 actually fits in with Sector 7′s history as presented in the movies (skipped on most of the comic) better than Megatron starting a war for the Fallen, allying with Sentinel then shooting him out of the sky, battling for the Allspark and crashing to Earth, dying for the Allspark, reviving only to fail the Fallen, while the rest of the Decepticons were working with humans on Sentinel Prime plan and never bringing it up until now.
Maybe this accounts for Megatron’s attitude throughout DOTM, he seems kind of out of it and distant the whole time, like he’s just as confused as the rest of us.
Honestly, the impression I got from him at various parts in 3 was “super high right now.” Especially the scene where Carly comes to talk with him, he’s just kind of dazing out, gazing at the incoming planet in a stupor.
I’d imagine he’s glad to see his home again. I mean, how long has it been since he’s been there last? I think it gives him more character-depth, knowing that all the bad stuff he’s done was to save his home and species.
… I can’t believe I didn’t think about this, but… Wow, that’s kinda accurate.
He somehow planned out three different plans…
From centuries ago…
That happen within what… A ten year span (being extremely extremely generous.)
Not just that, but he uses the plan that requires Optimus alive LAST rather than FIRST. Then again, the cube was there when he woke up. The second was kinda random. And I guess the third was just a ‘we’ve failed at every turn, so why the **** not’ thing. Basically it was the backup for just in case they completely fail in every way apparently.
… Or you could use the excuse that it was either this or they find a new century and new actors/characters to make up for the lack of chronological sense.
Matrix sequals? Why would you even sugest such a thing? That’s like saying there were ten-plus sequal to Ender’s Game, or that they made a new Duke Nukem after nearly two decades, or that Ayn Rand is popular. It.. it just doesn’t make sense.
I feel cold, and I need my happy place.
On a lighter note: I enjoyed parts of the Animatrix.
I would like to add Alien Ressurection and Aliens Vs Predator: Requim to the Not Existing lost. Possibly the First AVP and Alien3 too? Up to you really.
- The Fallen wanted him to locate the Star Harvester. He left Cybertron with Soundwave on the Nemesis before the War broke out.
- When the war broke out, Sentinel and Megatron brokered a secret truce to put them in charge, cutting Optimus’s faction out, and thus bringing peace to the planet. Sentinel was heading to Earth because the Star Harvester was there; they needed to repower the AllSpark. His ship got shot down and was believed lost. He instead crashed on Earth’s moon.
- The Allspark was shot into space. Megatron followed it (for obvious reasons.) It homes in on the Star Harvester and crashed down to Earth. Megatron does too– and is thus entombed in ice.
He tries ot capture the Allspark so that it can be properly re-powered by the Star Harvester. With the Allspark destroyed he kills Optimus so that the human touched by the Allspark can retrieve the Matrix (needed to both activate the Harvester and revive Sentinel.) With the Fallen and the Allspark gone, priories switch to the more mundane ones of winning the war with Sentinel’s aid.
(It’s not explicitly stated why they still used the Star Harvester with the AllSpark gone, but I assume it involved the fragment in Megatron’s tummy…)
“The Road to Hell is Paved with Good Intentions”.
Megatron thought all of this would help Cybertronians live – the energon harvester was needed to get energon for the newer generation of (asexual?) hatchlings (ugh). Without Energon as Jetfire says they get old and fall apart after a number of thousands of years.
Megatron started the fight, but in the end realizes that Cybertron and its people need to be rebuilt.
His intentions are all well and good, but the path he takes to do it is not. Not to mention it is his fault in the first place <_<.
It’s a nice thought, but your “spoiler warning space” just looks like a banner ad and my eyes completely missed it. I didn’t see it until I read the news post and scrolled back up to look.
I think that the Sentinal Plan was Dead until the Fallen died, and he decided to go back to the Sentinal Plan because Plan Fallen did not work so Sentinal Plan should. Or maybe Megatron just has all the irons in the fire. All of them.
Please… Don’t even joke about that. I’d rather spare the children of today from the franchise pimping that was The Land Before Time. As much as I loved those movies, Littlefoot should have been left in the 90′s, and I want Michael Bay directing another Transformers movie as much as I want another Daredevil movie starring Ben Affleck. Haven’t Bumblebee and Matt Murdock been through enough, respectively, already?
Hey, “Crank” is what happened when the camera guys got together and decided to write a plot around a bunch of cool effects.
Just because some non-writers came up with the plot last doesn’t mean it can’t be a good movie in the end anyways, right? Uh… unless… the exception proves the rule… Oh damn.
Well, I guess this is the perfect opportunity for the fandom to put together the ultimate Transformers 4 script and pitch it to Bay. Sooner or later he’s gonna be looking… (hopefully BEFORE he shoots the damned thing…)…
I think the only being in the multiverse who could understand Megatrons planning skills is on a series I thought the Cybertron thing was copied from. Even then he would blame it on a timey wimey ball.
Seriously I was fantasising about the Doctor turning up and saving the day instead of Transformers but that makes less sense then Megatrons plans. Who writes Doctor Who/Transformers fan fiction anyway it would be stupid.
PS> The Rock has been cast as Roadblock in next GI Joe film do I sense more nightmares from Ethan.
“Cybertron being pulled” to Earth predates “Gallifrey being pulled to Earth” by about 25 years, I’m afraid. And “The End of Time” has parts that are not un-Michael Bay like as well.
The Sun Harvester was The Fallen’s plan, and he owned Megatron’s ass, but Megs was probably planning on betraying The Fallen at the last possible moment himself, and then just needed the Autobots to finally wake Sentinel up before he could launch his own plan involving the Space Bridge.
It’s not quite cult classic material. Why would you want to remember any scenes from it, much less ones involving a former big bad turned minor character?
Because Megatron wanted to kill the Fallen. Letting Prime do it is just . . . not personal enough. He wanted to thank the Fallen for mentoring him properly – with a sword through the chest.
If he’s already onto the backups then the original plan likely already failed, and if it didn’t then we’ll probably see it at some point (where it will probably fail).
I just saw the film today, and the whole time all I could think was: “How cool could the next Transformers film be without Shia or Bay? Hmm… maybe they could bring Megan Fox back, and she could spend the entire film being a hero, rather than spend hours whining about a job or school. Oh, and bring back Arcee too, just for some gender equality…”
It’s conceivable Megatron designated Earth as his rendezvous point with Sentinel because he knew the Sun Harvester was already here and figured he could run both plans in parallel… somehow… but the Allspark just happening to land here as well really *does* push the coincidencemeter to maximum.
Maybe Megs was expecting Sentinel to help him overthrow The Fallen- that may have been part of the original deal they made.
Or maybe he didn’t hook up with The Fallen until Sentinel was presumed dead, and then once The Fallen was ousted he reverted to the Sentinel plan- but wait, the human agents appear to have been in place for decades, so that means… Yeah, I’m lost too.
‘Megatron meeting with Sentinel Prime to take out the Fallen’ seems to be the only one that makes sense (I imagine Megatron did some Decepticon house-cleaning when the Ark got damaged) –
then the AllSpark gets launched, Megs goes after it as cover to grab the bridge and the AllSpark *happens* to hit the same planet (and frankly, magic box versus working with Sentinel and the sheer administrative toil of enslaving six billion humans, magic box seems the easier option).
I want the flowchart, possibly with a plushie Brains.
Im gonna go with the theory a friend pointed out. The Decepticons weren’t the bad guys in this at all. It was the Autobots! All the Decepticons were doing was trying to preserve their race while the Autobots were all like “Uh…no…aint gonna happen dude…” Spock Prime (and that’s what he was. Spock as a large robot complete with star trek quotes) had the right idea by going to the Decepticons side.
Not entirely true the autobots were all for harvesting stars they just made the rule about not harvesting stars with life sustaining planets circling it like uhh earth.
My problem with it isn’t that Megatron had three entirely unrelated century spanning plots overlapping… which is weird enough already… but all three just happen to involve the planet earth! One because the earth is essential (blowing up our sun to suck up its delicious inards) and two by complete random chance (the allspark and Sentinel both happened to crash here rather than anywhere else in the vast universe).
You could build not only a new movie trilogy, but an entire Transformers FRANCHISE around the phrase “Why is Earth so special”. Not just natural resources or Mini-Cons or whatever, but something that only Earth has, that the Transformers need.
according to IDW’s Transformers movie universe, the allspark chase was not planned, megatron planned to claim it on cybertron but it was launched into space before he could. he had the star harvester planned with the fallen on earth which is posibly why he had that as the meeting place with sentinal, who like megatron did not plan on crashing. So that plan did not need optimus. Megatron might have been planning to kill sentinal and/or optimus (the last prime) after the space bridge thing in order to resurect the fallen (kill the last prime). by dark of the moon everything had kind of gone to pot and he was to burnt out to remember to remember to kill sentinal. So original pre allspark chase plan was 1. get allspark on cybertron 2. meet sentinal 3. space bridge 4. kill sentinal 5. resurect fallen and use star harvester. it has plot holes but it’s the best explanation
The Megatron in the first movie was a huge crazy monster of a transformer who seemed to be impossible for any other transformer to stop. He was a Conan AND Stalin cobo slurpee of dread. He was beating Optimus to death rather easily when he got cube-chested.
The Megatron in the second movie got cut the hell up trying to kill Optimus Prime with two pals. He seemed much more manageable. So did death and resurrection diminish Megatron down to normal transformer level? Had Optimus been working out a lot? What happened?
The Megatron in the latest movie was sort of a creepy has been crazy-guy consultant. He had a plan but everyone was trying not to look at his poacher-tarp cape or his cut up head while still being polite because he was obviously still the brains of the outfit if not the actual leader anymore. He got contemptuously slapped around by Sentinel prime and later attacks Sentinel from behind and disables him with some blows to the head…and then Optimus who only has one arm and was getting up from a beating by Sentinel Prime just kills contemptuously him with an axe and then point blanks Sentinel with a space shotgun while he whines about how much he just wanted to help cybertron.
The tranformers seems to be a movie series about Megatron gradually losing his shit.
The whole “Take over a planet and use it to rebuild Cybertron” thing wasn’t Megatron’s plan. Not now, not ever. It was Sentniel’s all along; Megatron was jsut allowed to think that it was his. The Ark getting exploded was an unexpected turn of events that buggered it all up for him.
With that being said, the way the Ark was shot down and the way the Xantium was shot down shared a lot of parallels. I mean, yes, spacecraft blowing up and all, but maybe it was Starscream shooting down the Ark. I mean, buggering up Megatron’s plans is his specialty (and that’s not all he buggers up)
The first movie made general sense when it came out: Allspark “randomly” lands on Earth, Megatron lands first, Bumblebee is sent as a scout, more ‘cons show up, Bee alerts ‘bots, OP and Megs duke it out.
RotF comes out, I say what the F and move on. Diminishez my ability to enjoy the first movie.
Now, with DotM, I’m ready to melt my copy of TF 1. The plot as a whole has gotten so holy (is that the right spelling for full of holes?) it has ruined my ability to enjoy the first. Bay needs to schedule a meeting with Sam Raimi about how to F up a trilogy properly ( and I’m not writing about Spiderman).
At least Prime had his axe-hand. Only way it could have been better waz if it had been a chainsaw.
Also, its not so much a flowchart as a dart board with storylines from comic books or the cartoon series. It really seems like the writers just sat down, popped some acid, and watched the cartoon series while reading the Dreamwave comics. When do they get sent back in time to help the Joes win WWII?
He mentioned that because it was the Dreamwave volume of “Transformers Vs GI Joe”. I say Dreamwave volume because there were THREE IDW volumes. Scratch that, apparently four according to wiki.
The problem I had with the movies wasn’t Megatron’s ever unfolding plans but that Earth seems like the only place in the cosmos these fuckers end up.
1) Allspark randomly ends up here, fine.
2) The Primes were here 10,000 years ago with the Star Harvester and the Matrix of Leadership, fine. Maybe that’s what the Allspark was drawn to like a magnet.
3) After both of those things happen, Sentinel crashes the Ark on the moon. No Allspark connection, no Star Harvester connection, no “I needed the Matrix to power the Space Bridge” reason? Not even a “that’s where all the other fucking Primes were” bullshit reason? Nothing?
That’s like throwing 3 darts at a wall of a billion spinning globes blindfolded and hitting the same one on Salt Lake City, Utah all three times. It just wouldn’t fucking happen.
And I loved the movies, all 3 of them. I just don’t act like they’re the greatest movies ever.
There’s a rip current in the Immaterium between Cybertron and Earth. Tzeentch created it by manipulating the Borg into starting a war with the Peacekeepers, which ended in mutual destruction and a gaping hole in reality. Said hole attracts the Orz, who in turn manage to accidentally pull Crayak into the universe. Fortunately, The Doctor turns up in the nick of time, and with help from Dream and his big sister, Death, succeeds in eliminating Crayak, ejecting the Orz from the establishment, and more or less patching up the damage to the fabric of the universe.
God help anyone who tries to get the permissions necessary to create such a film, though. Are there any countries that are both safe-ish and relaxed enough about intellectual property?
People are welcome to base fanfics on the idea, in the unlikely even that someone wants to.
Crayak?
I meet him once.
What I want to know (and this is about the show, not the movies) is, why is it that Soundwave never teamed up with Shockwave to take over the decepticons after Galvatron died on the show?
After all, Soundwave had “The Anti-matter formula” from episode 5
Just wait until Transformers 4 where we find out Megatron crash landed on Earth BACK IN TIME during the time of the dinosaurs where he fought the Dinobots and lost which caused him to fall in the ocean and get frozen where he was found in movie one. And yes, he was on Earth for a fourth plan that was inherently unrelated and mutually exclusive with his three other plans (which assumed that humans would evolve into the dominant species).
As good as this strip is are we going to see the plot anytime soon? The transformers and Batman filler is always fun but we’ve had it for a week and a half solid now.
Megatron killed all the dinosaurs thinking they were the dominant lifeform (at the time, totally true) and was about to liquify their bodies for energon, but then some stupid rock hit the planet and fucked it all up for him, propelling him into the ocean before the deep freeze and tectonic seperation that eventually carried him to antartica. that was his MAIN plan and that’s why the rest were all contingencies. you dont get to lead the decepticons with only 2 backup plans. you gotta think like chess, man!
I’d have to say that the Worst thing about the Movie is how it turned into a generic “Alien Invasion” movie towards the end, complete with “Mass Killing Of Da Hu-Mans” (“Guys, Guys! Stop That! We Need Those To Rebuild Cybertron! Seriously, I know it’s funny when they explode, but stop it!”) and “Piloted Attack Craft And Motherships”. Which SHOULD Have Been Alt-Modes! There’s no reason they aren’t (And don’t say “The reason is do Bumblebee could pilot one”, as I sure that wasn’t Megatron’s reasoning, or Was It…? “TRANSFORMERS 4 JUST AS PLANNED! OHWAITIMDEADNOW! AGAIN!”), and the fact they Weren’t Alt-modes made it feel less like it was Supposed to be Transformers… more like they had a script for a movie, and said, “Yeah, let’s go with that…”.
correct me if I’m mistaken but I’m pretty sure the did have alt modes, but just didn’t use them because what’s the point of hiding in a city you already completely control?
… If you recall, when they (the decepticons) jumped through the space bridge, there was a few shots of them taking on alt modes (a garbage truck, ambulance, & other emergency vehicles)
There was a moment when Epp’s and his men were taking the city that they took cover behind a garbage truck. I was like “LOOK OUT IT”S A DECEPTICON!”…. but turns out it was just a garbage truck
Talk about a missed opportunity. Imagine how paranoid the characters could get when they stop and realized just about anything, even their cellphone, could be a decepticon waiting for them to drop their guard and kill them! With whirling blade bits in a deadly blurr of gunmetal grey in an out of focus shot.
Bumblebee isn’t the only Transformer, Autobot or Decepticon, who isn’t flight-capable. So less “so Bumblebee could pilot one”, and more “so the genericons could pilot them”.
But, why not, I don’t know, replace them with Seekers, and have the Non-flying guys be, you know, Ground Patrols? Or maybe Scan new Flying alt modes? I mean, remember how Bumblebee did it on the fly in the first film? And even if you forget about trying to scan new modes to replace the ground ones, those ships didn’t have Earth Alt modes, so they sure as hell weren’t hiding on Earth until they started the invasion. So why not have Flying Transformers waiting in their place, ready to pop over once the invasion started instead?
This is a Transformers movie. To pander to the audience you really should try to get as many of the alien vehicles to be actual transformers as much as possible.
And imagine if those Mother Ship things had been Giant Transformer alt-modes. Just like in the Armada video game with Tidelwave. It would have been Awesome.
Heck, even the G1 Cartoon did a better job. Remember how Pre-Earth mode Starscream and other Seekers chased down the autobots on Cybertron in the first episode?
These are pretty big missed opportunities for a Transformers movies.
And another advantage over having your Sky Patrol be guys with flying alt modes? Two Tiny Little Robots Don’t Go And Do A Will Smith On You!
I’m telling you, this script wasn’t originally intended for Transformers.
Heck, in the Movie they seem to completely ignore that this would Destroy the Earth, which is again something the Cartoon actually touched on. Or did no one mention it in the film because it was too obvious?
The entire movie was a series of Transformers cartoon episode references. It was equal parts The Ultimate Doom and Megatron’s Master Plan, with Atlantis, Arise!’s scene featuring Megatron sitting in the Lincoln Monument’s chair. And don’t forget the Cosmic Rust gun and the Witwicky’s better-and-smarter-than-him-girlfriend-named-Carly, and the British-speaking Wreckers who had a ship named the Xantium, and Shockwave’s Driller creature who’s kind of a dead ringer for the Dweller. Seriously, the whole thing was a non-stop Frankensteining of early Transformers material. And the Xantium.
If you don’t think DOTM was Transformers-y, then you must just not be that familiar with Transformers.
Well yes, it was full of Transformers references, but it felt like they were painted onto the outside of another story so people wouldn’t realise the script came from somewhere else. like:
“Ok guys, the script calls for an Alien Invasion, why would the Decepticons be invading the Earth?”
“Oh Oh! I Know! They Could Want The Human Race As Slave To Repair Cybertron, Which They Teleport Into Earth’s Orbit With A SPACE BRIDGE!”
“Yea sure, we’ll go with that, Transformers Fanboy. I knew there was a reason we kept you on the team.”
You have to admit that many elements of the film just turn into a generic Alien Invasion Movie towards the end. Strip out the Transformers and replace with guys in Alien suits in a couple places and you’d almost have a full movie. *remembers how long the movie was* Actually, you’d have a full movie.
Sure it was Transformery, but it felt, well, artificial. Stuck on with chewing gum.
Usually I’m the guy who says “They’re not That bad” about the movies, but, I think this time round I just felt I wanted a little more out of the experience this time round.
You have to remember that the original Transformers cartoon was robots “painted onto the outside” of Superfriends. In fact, I don’t know if I could name a Transformers series that COULDN’T be superficially compared to another genre of story! Even Beast Wars, the greatest of Transformers cartoons, was basically Gilligan’s Island with warring robots, if we want to be petty about it.
I mean, dude, how is “The Ultimate Doom” not the same alien invasion story that Dark of the Moon is? (Plus the Superfriends, of course.) It has the humans-used-for-slaves thing and everything.
I think I’m more concerned about the rather counterproductive KILLING ALL THE HUMANS bit(No wait, we want them as slaves, DOH!) and how it included the clichée of hijacking an Alien ship. Sure it was Friendly Aliens doing the hijacking, but it felt a wasted opportunity of rule of cool and Transformers Not to have them as Transformer alt modes.
With an invasion, the reason for killing civilians would be to invoke fear. But um, the invaders are giant Frigging robots. EVERYONE IS ALREADY SHITTING THEIR PANTS! Plus it is going to make rounding them up a bitch later.
“Er, Hu-mans? You can come out now, we want to keep you alive this time. No senseless killing now, just slavery…”
Have we ever seen anything in the movies that shows becoming a flier is as simple as scanning a new altmode? I mean, just looking at the designs and sizes of the movieverse fliers implies that there’s some difference between flight-capable and non flight-capable. Even for fliers there are certain benefits of having another vehicles worth of armor with the capability to support bigger guns
Transformers don’t use space ships, people complain.
Transformers use space ships, people complain.
Heck, while I agree that “race of alien robots that turn into vehicles” makes sense for your giant war, “putting said alien robot inside a bigger, deadlier, more armored mode of transportation” makes even more.
I’d have to agree with that sentiment, putting the alien robot into a bigger, dealier, more armored mode of transportation makes a ton of sense.
But what would be cooler is if that bigger, deadlier, more armored mode of transportation was also a transforming alien robot. Or a whole shitload of them powerlinked together or somesuch.
Admittedly, that’s a complaint I’ve had since the beginning of G1, what with the alien robots that can change into vehicles flying around in Arks and shuttles and whatnot. Why not have all their technology based around living, transformable machines, as they’ve hinted towards now and then (such as with their guns being living doohickeys and whatnot, or everyone piling into Skyfire to get around)? Where’s the dude that transforms into an interplanetary spaceship? Oh, wait, he’s over there, but he’s currently busy transforming into a… locomotive engine… well, that’ll be useful.
Do NOT get me started on the “using humans as slave labor” plot point. That was the stupidest thing I’d ever heard.
Look at the SIZE of Cybertron. It’s damn near solid heavy metals! If they were going with the comics’ interpretation that Cybertron is a “Saturn Sized” planet, it’d have a stronger gravitational pull than JUPITER. It would be the single most significant source of gravitation in the Solar System other than the SUN.
Humans would be a fine red PASTE. Not to mention that six billion fragile fleshy things are a TERRIBLE slave force for thirty foot tall robot people.
Not to mention how with the natural disasters and the mindless slaughtering done by the Decepticons themselves, they end up with barely half a million in the end…
I noticed these plot holes too while watching the movie. I have 2 ways to look at it that ease the pain.
1. The sun harvester was build on earth first and somehow when the all spark was lost in space, it was pulled toward the harvester. The easiest way to solve their problems was for megatron to get the all spark so he went for that first. He originally planned to use the all spark to create more transformers then with optimus dead he would steal the mantle of leadership and resurrect Sentinel Prime. Since he didn’t get the all spark the decepticons looked for help with the fallen and tried to destroy the world. Once that failed he they consipred to just bring their planet in and conquer earth.
The one thing that makes me madder than hell . . . The way Starscream went down. It saddens me too. Because Starscream has always been my favorite Transformer. (And because it was mentioned way earlier . . . Cobra Commander is my favorite character from GI Joe. What can I say? I like villains.)
Jeez. I’m normally a bit of a voice actor buff, but I didn’t even realize it was Hugo Weaving.
It doesn’t even sound like Mr. Weaving. I thought they just hired some unaccomplished voice actor with an old, lazy, growling voice. What did they do to it? I normally love his acting.
Or perhaps he just didn’t have enough lines to really shine for me.
Between this and the “made of tinfoil” comments you’ve made previously, you keep pointing out the things that I absolutely despise about this franchise. It’s like there’ some logic disconnect somewhere because now after seeing this strip I REALLY can’t tell why you love this stuff so much.
If we’re talking spoilers, can we PLEASE talk about the whole Ken Jeong scene? I thought it was funny, a lot of him being him, but [spoilers] the way Laserbeak killed him, rolling him out a window shrieking and arms flailing, was so weird. His death is a minor plot point, and the fact that it’s played for laughs is kind of jarring. I loved the whole scene, but it was just kind of surreal.
Megatron always had one plan in mind… restore Cybertron to it’s former glory.
Some of this is explained in the comics…
It started with him talking with the Fallen and creating the decepticons. The Fallen knew where the star harvester was and it could be used to keep the Allspark charged. That was the first plan.
Then came the war which was destroying Cybertron so Sentinel and Megatron made a plan that would end the war and save Cybertron. Starscream did not know the plan and messed it up by “destroying” the Ark. Megatron thinks Sentinel is dead and scraps that plan. Then Optimus shot the Allspark into space to keep it from Megatron.
Since the Allspark was so important to the survival of Cybertron, Megatron chases after it and gets frozen. His decepticons come to earth looking for him and also discover the wreckage of the Ark on the moon. Sentinel is in stasis lock and as far as the decepticons know, can only be revived by the Allspark.
Megatron is awakened on Earth and the first thing he tries to do is get the Allspark back. Sam kills him and destroys the Allspark. Megatron is revived and since the Allspark is destroyed, can’t revive Sentinel. So he goes with the Fallen’s plan to use it sun harvester. That fails, but does reveal a new way to revive Sentinel, the Matrix. So Megatron goes back to that plan, resulting in Transformers 3.
So if you look at it that way, it is not 3 overlapping plans that conflict with each other, it was just 1 plan that kept needing revising as the situation changed. Wars are not won unless your plan evolves with changes that occur.
This comic hit on a lot of Fridge Logic that has been stewing in the back of my head for a while. This would have been actually pretty cool if Megatron was actually shown having to juggle all these crazy lots.
If Megatron could fly through space, why would being sunk in the ocean do anything to him? Also what happened to Jon Voight (not the dentist, the other one) and also that hot blonde chick who discovered the Decepticon cyber-code?
Oh and why can’t Bumble Bee talk? Ratchet couldn’t find 10 mins to fix his voice, even though it worked at the end of the first film?
Finally, why was Megatron just sitting in an alley like a hobo when Blonde Chick found him and totally played him like a sucka. (Also, why didn’t he stomp her like a cig-butt before going to stab Sentinal’s stupid a**?)
1. It was believed that pressure of the ocean would crush him… they were mistaken.
2. good question, I miss john voight.
3. unless i’m mistaken, she didn’t want to come back. I seem to remember a quote of hers stating something along the line of “I’ve done it once, no need to do it again”
4. I always thought what bumblebee said at the end of TF1 was a radio clip and not him actually talking….
5. megatron WAS just kinda chilling in the back alley like a hobo… that part did bug me a bit.
6. he wanted to show the pretty girl what a BAMF he was… squishing her wouldn’t gain him anything.
I honestly think it was because Sentinel Prime punched him in the head… and Megatron was sulking because he thought they were friends, but now all sentinel wanted to do was play with optimus.
Prof. Farnsworth: “Good Lord! That’s over 5000 atmospheres of pressure!”
Fry: “How many atmospheres can the ship withstand?”
Prof. Farnsworth: “Well, it was built for space travel, so anywhere between zero and one.”
In the case of Bumblebee’s voice, I seem to recall the canon explanation being “Yeah, his voice works now, he just thinks it’s funny to keep talking with sound clips.”
As for Megatron, I’m putting the blame squarely on those Cybertronian bugs chewing on his think’n bits back in Africa.
I thought that those “bugs” were little Scalpels working feverishly to try and repair megatron’s head/brain. They looked an awful lot like the one that tried to lobotomize Sam in ROTF.
According to IRONHIDE HIMSELF (shut up, it’s not an editor pretending, it’s the REAL Transformers answering the UK magazine letters page!!), Maggie is running her own department at the Rand Corporation and Glenn “still lives with his grandma, playing Dance Dance Revolution with his cousin and eating all the doughnuts. Oh dear.”
My thoughts:
Megatron hates Sentinel Prime, so rather than leading with that plan on Earth, he goes for helping the Fallen out, to whom he actually seems to show some genuine regard, if not affection.
As to why all three McGuffins ended up on Earth? Yeah, not a clue there, unless the Allspark somehow tracked in on existign Cybertronian tech, and Sentinel followed Megatron’s flight path *shrugs*
I read it as this:
1. The Allspark is kinda the same as the Fallen plan because the Fallen NEEDS the information in the cube to find the Matrix (to power the harvester)
2. At roughly the same time Sentinel realises the bots won’t win and so he makes a deal with Megatron to use a spacebridge to rebuild cybertron elsewhere (this part makes no sense at this point as the Allspark remains on Cybertron, with the sun anchored to it providing energon for their planet…so I’m not sure why it was necessary, I can only guess because the sun caused the occurence of the drillers and such which was not fun for people)
3. Sentinel is thought to be lost so Megatron cancels the space bridge plan
4. Prime launches the cube into spac delaying the Fallen plan
5. Megatron gets frozen because he’s a tool
6. Soundwave finds Sentinel on the moon and recovers the pillars for safekeeping but the bridge plan remains a backup.
7. The cube is destroyed and the info goes to Sam, the plan remains the same, just Sam is the source now.
8. The matrix is recovered by Prime and the harvester and Fallen are destroyed.
9. Megatron is pretty bummed.
10. The Matrix is now needed to re-power Sentinel as that plan once more comes to the fore.
Megatron never needed Prime, he needed the Matrix which prime had. Deceiving Prime into reviving Sentinel himself was less risky than a weakened Megatron trying to take it by force.
Oh as for everything landing on earth:
Allspark = mistake
Megatron = Following Allspark
Harvester = Left there before, coincidence that the allspark landed there too
Matrix = Dumb Primes not hiding it ELSEWHERE
Sentinel = Supporting comics and novels and stuff say the Ark locked onto the allspark’s signature while the crew were bsuy being dead/ unconscious
Yeah, what’s up with Megatron having reciprocal plans, either of which will likely assure him a victory if the other fails? It’s almost as if he’s competent or something!
And Oh, wait until we get to Transformers 4 and we find out this everything from the previous films, Including Even His Death was a part of an Even Bigger Xanatos Gambit he had planned to sell out the Earth to Unicron who previously promised to ressurect him as Galvatron.
The worlds not Going to end by a god/s wiping us out it going to end because two different kinds of giant transforming robots keep using our planet as Thier battlefield after they destroyed their own planet doing the exact same thing. The irony is in the first tf movie OP told sam he didint want earth to end up sharing the same fate as cybertron yet now things are getting the same.
(Apologies if this is a double-post, the site’s being all twitchy.)
I won’t pretend the ways in which “Dark of the Moon”‘s plot points interact with those of the last two movies aren’t tricky to figure out (the big one for me has nothing to do with Megatron and more to do with the Decepticons hiding on the Moon and harvesting the Pillars; given that it’s rather clearly implied that only Megatron and Sentinel were aware of the deal to use the Space Bridge to rebuild Cybertron, how did they know to do any of that on their own?), but I actually feel the point raised by this strip is fairly easy to figure out.
Do remember, after all, two facts: 1.) As far as Megatron knew, Sentinel was dead with no way to revive him. 2.) No one, not even The Fallen, knew where the Matrix of Leadership was. No Matrix = No way to revive Sentinel. No way to revive Sentinel = No way to go through on their deal to use the Space Bridge (a deal he most likely would’ve renegged on if he’d succeeded in capturing the All-Spark, I suspect). Thus does Megatron accord himself to The Fallen’s plan to use the Sun Harvester; it’s only after the end of ROTF, when Optimus and Sam have successfully located and re-activated the Matrix of Leadership, that Megatron decides to revisit the plan to use Sentinel and the Space Bridge. Seems simple enough to me; Sentinel’s presence on Earth is still a big honking coincidence, though that too becomes a bit easier to reconcile if you take into account the Profile Info of Sentinel available on the official website which states that HE was the one who revealed that the All-Spark was on Earth, making it the ideal place for their planned “rendevous”.
See, I’m just telling myself that Megs puts his plans in order of how-awesomely-they-reflect-on-Megatron. First plan: he gets the allspark and runs everything. Second best plan, he has to play second fiddle, but it’s to the robot devil and he’s good at fiddling anyway. Third best plan, he has to work with a damn filthy autobot.. He could never consider doing the more humiliating one til the previous one had failed.
Despite my best efforts I just could not get excited for this movie.
And after reading spoilers I’m even less jazzed to see it. Spoilers obviously.
they kill EVERYONE I like.
Megs.
Starscream
Soundwave
Shockwave
Laserbeak.
5 of my top 10 favorite Transformers in any continuity (and 3 maybe 4 of my top 5 if I had to choose). All dead in one film. They didn’t kill Ravage in this one because he- OH WAIT, THEY ALREADY KILLED HIM.
Screw you Bay. Here I am defending these damn movies as at the worst somewhat fun and watchable for years and you go and make it either impossible to make a sequel or force them to do some MORE stupid resurrection shenanigans in order to have a Decepticon roster worth watching.
Next movie has Unicron creating Galvatron, Scourge and Cyclonus. They killed the entire decepticon command chain. ALL of it. We’re getting a Unicron movie next time. Guarantee it.
Bay’s attempts at fanservice are so friggin’ incompetent.
Just one problem: Optimus being alive wasn’t central to Sentinel Prime’s plan until AFTER Optimus was raised from the dead, since the artifact that raised him was precisely what Optimus used to raise Sentinel Prime.
I haven’t seen the third movie yet, but my biggest question is, if Optimus, a lone prime who cannibalized Jetfire, can kill the Fallen, why didn’t the original Primes, what, 6 of them, kill the Fallen instead of sacrificing themselves to hide the Matrix?
The fact that this Megatron had three contradictory plans going simultaneously, all of which seemed to be coming along fine, makes him the best Megatron ever.
The fact that, even with a multiversal entity, hundreds and hundreds of soldiers, and the leader of the Autobots on his side, all of those plans failed, makes him the worst.
I’d hate to contradict the expert, but Meg never worked on more than one plan at a time, and at the beginning of movie one, all three plans were on hold. The cube hunt was on hold until Sam revealed his grandfather’s glasses on Ebay. The Solar harvester was the contingency for the cube and was put on hold until the cube was gone and Optimus was killed.
The Space Bridge was totally written off until Sam miraculously found the Matrix, the only thing that could revive Sentinel. Remember, all the human co-conspirators killed by Laserbeak were younger than 50. They probably didn’t even start planting the breadcrumbs to the Ark until after the events of movie two.
Aagh, freelancing is ABSOLUTELY like that! D= Aagh!
AMEN! I’m a freelance filmmaker and if you don’t have multiple things in various stages of development going at all times you might as well call yourself unemployed. Megatron is my muse as far as work-ethic goes… the man just DOES. NOT. STOP!
We know everyone goes to see Transformers Movies for the plot.
What was Micheal Bay Thinking?
Revenge of the Fallen was almost entirely written by him if I recall, though he’s uncredited. Considering the mess that was, I think it’s safe to say he’s still an amateur.
My question: who is going to be the transformers version of Louis Leterrier?
If it was, it was written mostly by Bay because of the Writer’s Strike, which he admitted forced them to go with a crappy story.
Yes, that’s right, he admits the story was terrible.
I agree! That second one was B A D! I was glad the 3rd one really was like the 1st one. Transformers 3 was EPIC!
I love how he tries to blame it all on the writer’s strike. How exactly was a lack of writers to blame for crappy visuals like characters climbing The Khafre Pyramid while The Khafre Pyramid is simultaneously off in the background? I mean, that’s no minor continuity error. A whole chunk of the movie focuses directly on The Khafre Pyramid… it’s visually distinct from the other Pyramids, and it’s shown to viewers again, and again, and again… and then it just shows up off in the background as filler, like no one will notice.
The writer’s strike is just fine with taking the blame. That’s why they striked. My mom and a few of her coworkers in Child Casting were part of it.
Y’know, we should be ABLE to go see these movies for some plot.
I know they’re just “summer blockbusters” and all, but that’s no excuse for being shitty movies.
Thank you! Story doesn’t have to be amazing for an action/fx movie to be enjoyable…but at least give the thing a basic, descent story. (and I’m just talking in general here…didn’t like the 1st movie so I didn’t even see revenge of the fallen
)
First movie was meh, enjoyable enough. Second movie was a steaming pile.
Third one was better than the second, but still showcases Bay’s personal foibles to the Nth degree and stubbornly insists on keeping every stupid character that I’ve wanted to see squashed into goo for years.
Such as every single Witwicky. They were entertaining (sort of) in the 80s. They’re the most annoying characters ever written in the new movies. To hell with the parents, too hell with Shia, and even to hell with the dogs.
Megatron: “And it would’ve all worked if the battery on my alarm clock hadn’t failed! Curse you Energizer Bunny!”
I haven’t seen the movie and even I was wondering that!
Really? My impression from the comercials was that there wasn’t a plot at all. Just two drawn out hours of cars beatin the shit out of eachother and people talking without mea… ning… any… thing… Goddammit Michael Bay just sold us NASCAR.
and millions of people bought it hook, line, and sinker…
… oh well. I’ve loved the tranformers movies (even ROTF to a much lesser degree). I’m content to enter the theatre to see transformers and expect nothing more than huge action sequences and beautiful imagery…. that way I leave getting EXACTLY what I went in to get.
There’s a plot. A better plot than I expected from a Bay film, actually. And actual plot twists. Several of them.
At one point in the trailers they were mentioning “the decepticons have been planning this for a hundred years” and I was wondering “Wait. . .how. . .and why?”
“The Decepticons have been planning this for 50 years” – Sam Witwicky
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPFURb5S_sQ&feature=related
since the moon landing… which makes since. It was Megatron and Sentinel’s plan originally. but was executed primarily by the other decepticons in their absence
Why was the moon landing thing important if they already knew about alien robots from Sam’s grandfather?
They actually said at one point that they weren’t entirely sure Megatron was alien in one of the tie in comics for either the first movie or RotF. Apollo 11 confirmed it. That’s why they weren’t terribly surprised by the Mars rover footage in the first movie, they had proof by then that he was one of them and they were alien but still no idea where they came from. Apollo 11 actually fits in with Sector 7′s history as presented in the movies (skipped on most of the comic) better than Megatron starting a war for the Fallen, allying with Sentinel then shooting him out of the sky, battling for the Allspark and crashing to Earth, dying for the Allspark, reviving only to fail the Fallen, while the rest of the Decepticons were working with humans on Sentinel Prime plan and never bringing it up until now.
Maybe this accounts for Megatron’s attitude throughout DOTM, he seems kind of out of it and distant the whole time, like he’s just as confused as the rest of us.
Honestly, the impression I got from him at various parts in 3 was “super high right now.” Especially the scene where Carly comes to talk with him, he’s just kind of dazing out, gazing at the incoming planet in a stupor.
It’s a side effect of the painkillers. Have you Ever had half your face shot off? Stings like A Absolute Bitch!
I’d imagine he’s glad to see his home again. I mean, how long has it been since he’s been there last? I think it gives him more character-depth, knowing that all the bad stuff he’s done was to save his home and species.
Yet most of the Transformers fandom didn’t get the reference whilst in the theater.
This is actually VERY impressive, yeah.
… I can’t believe I didn’t think about this, but… Wow, that’s kinda accurate.
He somehow planned out three different plans…
From centuries ago…
That happen within what… A ten year span (being extremely extremely generous.)
Not just that, but he uses the plan that requires Optimus alive LAST rather than FIRST. Then again, the cube was there when he woke up. The second was kinda random. And I guess the third was just a ‘we’ve failed at every turn, so why the **** not’ thing. Basically it was the backup for just in case they completely fail in every way apparently.
… Or you could use the excuse that it was either this or they find a new century and new actors/characters to make up for the lack of chronological sense.
I prefer to just think that the second movie doesn’t exist.
Is that like the fact that the matrix has no sequels?
Matrix sequals? Why would you even sugest such a thing? That’s like saying there were ten-plus sequal to Ender’s Game, or that they made a new Duke Nukem after nearly two decades, or that Ayn Rand is popular. It.. it just doesn’t make sense.
I feel cold, and I need my happy place.
On a lighter note: I enjoyed parts of the Animatrix.
Two of those sequels for Ender’s Game were pretty good…
I would like to add Alien Ressurection and Aliens Vs Predator: Requim to the Not Existing lost. Possibly the First AVP and Alien3 too? Up to you really.
Someday they’ll make X-men 3 and it’ll be AWESOME.
Next he’ll say there was a second Highlander movie.
Just so long as he doesn’t think the Doctor is half human.
Or that either Jaws or Home Alone went beyond 2?
They did make a new duke nukem gam hahaha!
http://mlkshk.com/r/3CXZ
- The Fallen wanted him to locate the Star Harvester. He left Cybertron with Soundwave on the Nemesis before the War broke out.
- When the war broke out, Sentinel and Megatron brokered a secret truce to put them in charge, cutting Optimus’s faction out, and thus bringing peace to the planet. Sentinel was heading to Earth because the Star Harvester was there; they needed to repower the AllSpark. His ship got shot down and was believed lost. He instead crashed on Earth’s moon.
- The Allspark was shot into space. Megatron followed it (for obvious reasons.) It homes in on the Star Harvester and crashed down to Earth. Megatron does too– and is thus entombed in ice.
He tries ot capture the Allspark so that it can be properly re-powered by the Star Harvester. With the Allspark destroyed he kills Optimus so that the human touched by the Allspark can retrieve the Matrix (needed to both activate the Harvester and revive Sentinel.) With the Fallen and the Allspark gone, priories switch to the more mundane ones of winning the war with Sentinel’s aid.
(It’s not explicitly stated why they still used the Star Harvester with the AllSpark gone, but I assume it involved the fragment in Megatron’s tummy…)
“The Road to Hell is Paved with Good Intentions”.
Megatron thought all of this would help Cybertronians live – the energon harvester was needed to get energon for the newer generation of (asexual?) hatchlings (ugh). Without Energon as Jetfire says they get old and fall apart after a number of thousands of years.
Megatron started the fight, but in the end realizes that Cybertron and its people need to be rebuilt.
His intentions are all well and good, but the path he takes to do it is not. Not to mention it is his fault in the first place <_<.
Just say ‘protoforms’. It hurts less.
It’s a nice thought, but your “spoiler warning space” just looks like a banner ad and my eyes completely missed it. I didn’t see it until I read the news post and scrolled back up to look.
I think that the Sentinal Plan was Dead until the Fallen died, and he decided to go back to the Sentinal Plan because Plan Fallen did not work so Sentinal Plan should. Or maybe Megatron just has all the irons in the fire. All of them.
Think how good the eighth movie will be.
Please… Don’t even joke about that. I’d rather spare the children of today from the franchise pimping that was The Land Before Time. As much as I loved those movies, Littlefoot should have been left in the 90′s, and I want Michael Bay directing another Transformers movie as much as I want another Daredevil movie starring Ben Affleck. Haven’t Bumblebee and Matt Murdock been through enough, respectively, already?
Yes. And now you have doomed us to them working together.
Hey, the Daredevil directors cut was awesome.
I saw an episode of 30 Rock a while back where Liz passes a poster for “Transformers 5″, which proudly proclaims it is “Written by No One”.
Sounds inevitable to me.
Hey, “Crank” is what happened when the camera guys got together and decided to write a plot around a bunch of cool effects.
Just because some non-writers came up with the plot last doesn’t mean it can’t be a good movie in the end anyways, right? Uh… unless… the exception proves the rule… Oh damn.
Well, I guess this is the perfect opportunity for the fandom to put together the ultimate Transformers 4 script and pitch it to Bay. Sooner or later he’s gonna be looking… (hopefully BEFORE he shoots the damned thing…)…
If he’s not just done with the series.
I think the only being in the multiverse who could understand Megatrons planning skills is on a series I thought the Cybertron thing was copied from. Even then he would blame it on a timey wimey ball.
Seriously I was fantasising about the Doctor turning up and saving the day instead of Transformers but that makes less sense then Megatrons plans. Who writes Doctor Who/Transformers fan fiction anyway it would be stupid.
PS> The Rock has been cast as Roadblock in next GI Joe film do I sense more nightmares from Ethan.
What about Death’s Head, a Transformer shrunk down to human size by The Doctor? Or Octus, whose alt mode is a Dalek?
Don’t look at me, I’m stumped.
“Who writes Doctor Who/Transformers fan fiction anyway”
And yet, it exists. Of course.
…Rule 34 has me scared to look for fanart though.
Well, both properties had a time war
“Cybertron being pulled” to Earth predates “Gallifrey being pulled to Earth” by about 25 years, I’m afraid. And “The End of Time” has parts that are not un-Michael Bay like as well.
Y’know… this is something I never even thought of until now. I have to wonder if he had other plans going in the background.
The Sun Harvester was The Fallen’s plan, and he owned Megatron’s ass, but Megs was probably planning on betraying The Fallen at the last possible moment himself, and then just needed the Autobots to finally wake Sentinel up before he could launch his own plan involving the Space Bridge.
I guess I just don’t see the plot conflict.
If Megatron was planning on gutting The Fallen himself, why did he make the super sad “nooooo” face and shed a tiny tear when Prime defaced him?
What I’m saying is, you should more clearly remember very brief scenes from a terrible movie more clearly.
Because he wanted to mount The Fallen’s head on his wall, and without the face it just wouldn’t look right?
It’s not quite cult classic material. Why would you want to remember any scenes from it, much less ones involving a former big bad turned minor character?
Because Megatron wanted to kill the Fallen. Letting Prime do it is just . . . not personal enough. He wanted to thank the Fallen for mentoring him properly – with a sword through the chest.
The only kind of thanks that really counts!
Maybe they’re all just contingency plans.
But if they’re all contingency plans, what’s his actual plan? Does he even have one? If not the main antagonist might as well be an aging hippy.
“How shall we take over the universe my Lord?”
“I dunno man. I’ve kinda just been like,” *sharp inhaling*, “goin with the flow ya know? Like, the universe’ll kinda take care of it all man.”
If he’s already onto the backups then the original plan likely already failed, and if it didn’t then we’ll probably see it at some point (where it will probably fail).
In the prequel, I’m sure.
I just saw the film today, and the whole time all I could think was: “How cool could the next Transformers film be without Shia or Bay? Hmm… maybe they could bring Megan Fox back, and she could spend the entire film being a hero, rather than spend hours whining about a job or school. Oh, and bring back Arcee too, just for some gender equality…”
I was with you up until the “bring back Megan Fox” part.
Seriously, the only reason I decided, after the cluster-f that was the second movie, was that she was gone.
I like to imagine she ruined whatever chances she was going to get for another ‘kid friendly’ Transformers movie after Jennifer’s Body…
It’s conceivable Megatron designated Earth as his rendezvous point with Sentinel because he knew the Sun Harvester was already here and figured he could run both plans in parallel… somehow… but the Allspark just happening to land here as well really *does* push the coincidencemeter to maximum.
I say it’s not a coincidence AT ALL! I blame the Vok! It would make as much sense as anything.
The Sun Harvester was a magnet for the Allspark. Megatron probably thought, “Hey, I’m already hitting two birds with one stone.”
And the sad thing is: This is probably one of the more minor plot-holes for the movie series…
Three simultaneous plans, all inherently contradictory, and if any ONE of them succeds, you win?
Megatron is Batman. But evil. And not as fortunate in choice of allies.
If only he had a bit more Xanatos in him, he could conquer not just Earth or Cybertron, but the whole universe.
That seems kinda mean towards Batman. I mean, at least his plans make more sense and at least he’s active in their execution.
Maybe Megs was expecting Sentinel to help him overthrow The Fallen- that may have been part of the original deal they made.
Or maybe he didn’t hook up with The Fallen until Sentinel was presumed dead, and then once The Fallen was ousted he reverted to the Sentinel plan- but wait, the human agents appear to have been in place for decades, so that means… Yeah, I’m lost too.
I would also like a flow-chart. Yeeeeeeeeessssss.
‘Megatron meeting with Sentinel Prime to take out the Fallen’ seems to be the only one that makes sense (I imagine Megatron did some Decepticon house-cleaning when the Ark got damaged) –
then the AllSpark gets launched, Megs goes after it as cover to grab the bridge and the AllSpark *happens* to hit the same planet (and frankly, magic box versus working with Sentinel and the sheer administrative toil of enslaving six billion humans, magic box seems the easier option).
I want the flowchart, possibly with a plushie Brains.
muwhahahah. Correct! unleash the mighty Maximcon Plotholius Gigigantica
(Yes I KNOW I just mangled my latin grammer mightily, thank you)
Im gonna go with the theory a friend pointed out. The Decepticons weren’t the bad guys in this at all. It was the Autobots! All the Decepticons were doing was trying to preserve their race while the Autobots were all like “Uh…no…aint gonna happen dude…” Spock Prime (and that’s what he was. Spock as a large robot complete with star trek quotes) had the right idea by going to the Decepticons side.
Not entirely true the autobots were all for harvesting stars they just made the rule about not harvesting stars with life sustaining planets circling it like uhh earth.
ILU, Willis.
My problem with it isn’t that Megatron had three entirely unrelated century spanning plots overlapping… which is weird enough already… but all three just happen to involve the planet earth! One because the earth is essential (blowing up our sun to suck up its delicious inards) and two by complete random chance (the allspark and Sentinel both happened to crash here rather than anywhere else in the vast universe).
Why is Earth so damn special?
because it’s home to the target audience, and they need a’panderin’ to!
You could build not only a new movie trilogy, but an entire Transformers FRANCHISE around the phrase “Why is Earth so special”. Not just natural resources or Mini-Cons or whatever, but something that only Earth has, that the Transformers need.
More cowbell?
According to the movie, Megatron was always meant to meet with Sentinel Prime near Earth. So really, only the AllSpark was chance.
And what’s more impressive is that Starscream somehow managed not to botch all of these plans while Megatron was in the freezer…
It’s amazing that the simple act of humans being there didn’t botch any of their plans.
You could probably chalk Starscream not messing them up because he didn’t have to actively overthrow Megatron.
Hey at least none of those plans involved a purple griffin.
according to IDW’s Transformers movie universe, the allspark chase was not planned, megatron planned to claim it on cybertron but it was launched into space before he could. he had the star harvester planned with the fallen on earth which is posibly why he had that as the meeting place with sentinal, who like megatron did not plan on crashing. So that plan did not need optimus. Megatron might have been planning to kill sentinal and/or optimus (the last prime) after the space bridge thing in order to resurect the fallen (kill the last prime). by dark of the moon everything had kind of gone to pot and he was to burnt out to remember to remember to kill sentinal. So original pre allspark chase plan was 1. get allspark on cybertron 2. meet sentinal 3. space bridge 4. kill sentinal 5. resurect fallen and use star harvester. it has plot holes but it’s the best explanation
The Megatron in the first movie was a huge crazy monster of a transformer who seemed to be impossible for any other transformer to stop. He was a Conan AND Stalin cobo slurpee of dread. He was beating Optimus to death rather easily when he got cube-chested.
The Megatron in the second movie got cut the hell up trying to kill Optimus Prime with two pals. He seemed much more manageable. So did death and resurrection diminish Megatron down to normal transformer level? Had Optimus been working out a lot? What happened?
The Megatron in the latest movie was sort of a creepy has been crazy-guy consultant. He had a plan but everyone was trying not to look at his poacher-tarp cape or his cut up head while still being polite because he was obviously still the brains of the outfit if not the actual leader anymore. He got contemptuously slapped around by Sentinel prime and later attacks Sentinel from behind and disables him with some blows to the head…and then Optimus who only has one arm and was getting up from a beating by Sentinel Prime just kills contemptuously him with an axe and then point blanks Sentinel with a space shotgun while he whines about how much he just wanted to help cybertron.
The tranformers seems to be a movie series about Megatron gradually losing his shit.
So next movie is going to be a remake of ‘Webworld’?
To get to Webworld you need Unicron, they’ll probably jst skip to Bay’s opinion about the series at this point: gee, axe us.
Wasn’t he renamed Darkmount for his new toy?
Also after how botched The Fallen was I don’t trust Bay with another Multiversal Singularity.
That’s Straxus. “Gee, axe us” is how you pronounce Jhiaxus.
(I always pronounced it “Jacques-sus” myself, but word of god…)
They’re both huge axus :p
The whole “Take over a planet and use it to rebuild Cybertron” thing wasn’t Megatron’s plan. Not now, not ever. It was Sentniel’s all along; Megatron was jsut allowed to think that it was his. The Ark getting exploded was an unexpected turn of events that buggered it all up for him.
With that being said, the way the Ark was shot down and the way the Xantium was shot down shared a lot of parallels. I mean, yes, spacecraft blowing up and all, but maybe it was Starscream shooting down the Ark. I mean, buggering up Megatron’s plans is his specialty (and that’s not all he buggers up)
Wow, I can’t believe I wasted 45 dollars on these films…
The first movie made general sense when it came out: Allspark “randomly” lands on Earth, Megatron lands first, Bumblebee is sent as a scout, more ‘cons show up, Bee alerts ‘bots, OP and Megs duke it out.
RotF comes out, I say what the F and move on. Diminishez my ability to enjoy the first movie.
Now, with DotM, I’m ready to melt my copy of TF 1. The plot as a whole has gotten so holy (is that the right spelling for full of holes?) it has ruined my ability to enjoy the first. Bay needs to schedule a meeting with Sam Raimi about how to F up a trilogy properly ( and I’m not writing about Spiderman).
At least Prime had his axe-hand. Only way it could have been better waz if it had been a chainsaw.
I think the proper word is ‘holey’ or simply say ‘plot like swiss-cheese’.
I wonder if it’s ironic that Shia Lebouf once starred in a movie called ‘Holes’ or if it’s just plain funny.
Also, its not so much a flowchart as a dart board with storylines from comic books or the cartoon series. It really seems like the writers just sat down, popped some acid, and watched the cartoon series while reading the Dreamwave comics. When do they get sent back in time to help the Joes win WWII?
WWII Transformers fighting Hitler and Cobra with GI Joe?
Arguably that would drive over the edge of ‘ridiculous’ and land back in the ballpark of ‘Awesome’ if you ask me.
He mentioned that because it was the Dreamwave volume of “Transformers Vs GI Joe”. I say Dreamwave volume because there were THREE IDW volumes. Scratch that, apparently four according to wiki.
The problem I had with the movies wasn’t Megatron’s ever unfolding plans but that Earth seems like the only place in the cosmos these fuckers end up.
1) Allspark randomly ends up here, fine.
2) The Primes were here 10,000 years ago with the Star Harvester and the Matrix of Leadership, fine. Maybe that’s what the Allspark was drawn to like a magnet.
3) After both of those things happen, Sentinel crashes the Ark on the moon. No Allspark connection, no Star Harvester connection, no “I needed the Matrix to power the Space Bridge” reason? Not even a “that’s where all the other fucking Primes were” bullshit reason? Nothing?
That’s like throwing 3 darts at a wall of a billion spinning globes blindfolded and hitting the same one on Salt Lake City, Utah all three times. It just wouldn’t fucking happen.
And I loved the movies, all 3 of them. I just don’t act like they’re the greatest movies ever.
There’s a rip current in the Immaterium between Cybertron and Earth. Tzeentch created it by manipulating the Borg into starting a war with the Peacekeepers, which ended in mutual destruction and a gaping hole in reality. Said hole attracts the Orz, who in turn manage to accidentally pull Crayak into the universe. Fortunately, The Doctor turns up in the nick of time, and with help from Dream and his big sister, Death, succeeds in eliminating Crayak, ejecting the Orz from the establishment, and more or less patching up the damage to the fabric of the universe.
Got it?
I’m sure I’m out of the loop somewhere in here, but that still sounds like a better movie than what I’ve been hearing about Dark of the Moon.
God help anyone who tries to get the permissions necessary to create such a film, though. Are there any countries that are both safe-ish and relaxed enough about intellectual property?
People are welcome to base fanfics on the idea, in the unlikely even that someone wants to.
Is proud to announce he got all of those references.
Even the Star Control one.
…weeping angels?
It’s funny because The Doctor actually has had brief contact with a Transformers universe in his comic crossover with Death’s Head.
Crayak?
I meet him once.
What I want to know (and this is about the show, not the movies) is, why is it that Soundwave never teamed up with Shockwave to take over the decepticons after Galvatron died on the show?
After all, Soundwave had “The Anti-matter formula” from episode 5
…also, anyone who knows who “Crayak” is, should meet me over at Animorphsfanforum.com
Just wait until Transformers 4 where we find out Megatron crash landed on Earth BACK IN TIME during the time of the dinosaurs where he fought the Dinobots and lost which caused him to fall in the ocean and get frozen where he was found in movie one. And yes, he was on Earth for a fourth plan that was inherently unrelated and mutually exclusive with his three other plans (which assumed that humans would evolve into the dominant species).
As good as this strip is are we going to see the plot anytime soon? The transformers and Batman filler is always fun but we’ve had it for a week and a half solid now.
Megatron killed all the dinosaurs thinking they were the dominant lifeform (at the time, totally true) and was about to liquify their bodies for energon, but then some stupid rock hit the planet and fucked it all up for him, propelling him into the ocean before the deep freeze and tectonic seperation that eventually carried him to antartica. that was his MAIN plan and that’s why the rest were all contingencies. you dont get to lead the decepticons with only 2 backup plans. you gotta think like chess, man!
That wasn’t a rock. That was Starscream crash landing.
I’d have to say that the Worst thing about the Movie is how it turned into a generic “Alien Invasion” movie towards the end, complete with “Mass Killing Of Da Hu-Mans” (“Guys, Guys! Stop That! We Need Those To Rebuild Cybertron! Seriously, I know it’s funny when they explode, but stop it!”) and “Piloted Attack Craft And Motherships”. Which SHOULD Have Been Alt-Modes! There’s no reason they aren’t (And don’t say “The reason is do Bumblebee could pilot one”, as I sure that wasn’t Megatron’s reasoning, or Was It…? “TRANSFORMERS 4 JUST AS PLANNED! OHWAITIMDEADNOW! AGAIN!”), and the fact they Weren’t Alt-modes made it feel less like it was Supposed to be Transformers… more like they had a script for a movie, and said, “Yeah, let’s go with that…”.
End Rant.
correct me if I’m mistaken but I’m pretty sure the did have alt modes, but just didn’t use them because what’s the point of hiding in a city you already completely control?
… If you recall, when they (the decepticons) jumped through the space bridge, there was a few shots of them taking on alt modes (a garbage truck, ambulance, & other emergency vehicles)
Yeah, quite a few of them were shown taking alt-modes on screen, like the Long Haul-type robot scanning a garbage truck.
There was a moment when Epp’s and his men were taking the city that they took cover behind a garbage truck. I was like “LOOK OUT IT”S A DECEPTICON!”…. but turns out it was just a garbage truck
Talk about a missed opportunity. Imagine how paranoid the characters could get when they stop and realized just about anything, even their cellphone, could be a decepticon waiting for them to drop their guard and kill them! With whirling blade bits in a deadly blurr of gunmetal grey in an out of focus shot.
im the most sad that the mountain dew machine decepticon from TF1 never made a comeback
I think Shadow meant that the aircraft/spacecraft the Decepticons were using should have been actual Decepticons, not plain old vehicles.
Bumblebee isn’t the only Transformer, Autobot or Decepticon, who isn’t flight-capable. So less “so Bumblebee could pilot one”, and more “so the genericons could pilot them”.
But, why not, I don’t know, replace them with Seekers, and have the Non-flying guys be, you know, Ground Patrols? Or maybe Scan new Flying alt modes? I mean, remember how Bumblebee did it on the fly in the first film? And even if you forget about trying to scan new modes to replace the ground ones, those ships didn’t have Earth Alt modes, so they sure as hell weren’t hiding on Earth until they started the invasion. So why not have Flying Transformers waiting in their place, ready to pop over once the invasion started instead?
This is a Transformers movie. To pander to the audience you really should try to get as many of the alien vehicles to be actual transformers as much as possible.
And imagine if those Mother Ship things had been Giant Transformer alt-modes. Just like in the Armada video game with Tidelwave. It would have been Awesome.
Heck, even the G1 Cartoon did a better job. Remember how Pre-Earth mode Starscream and other Seekers chased down the autobots on Cybertron in the first episode?
These are pretty big missed opportunities for a Transformers movies.
And another advantage over having your Sky Patrol be guys with flying alt modes? Two Tiny Little Robots Don’t Go And Do A Will Smith On You!
I’m telling you, this script wasn’t originally intended for Transformers.
The only Transformer-ish part of it was that bringing Cybertron to Earth was something done in the Cartoon: http://tfwiki.net/wiki/The_Ultimate_Doom%2C_Part_1
Heck, in the Movie they seem to completely ignore that this would Destroy the Earth, which is again something the Cartoon actually touched on. Or did no one mention it in the film because it was too obvious?
The entire movie was a series of Transformers cartoon episode references. It was equal parts The Ultimate Doom and Megatron’s Master Plan, with Atlantis, Arise!’s scene featuring Megatron sitting in the Lincoln Monument’s chair. And don’t forget the Cosmic Rust gun and the Witwicky’s better-and-smarter-than-him-girlfriend-named-Carly, and the British-speaking Wreckers who had a ship named the Xantium, and Shockwave’s Driller creature who’s kind of a dead ringer for the Dweller. Seriously, the whole thing was a non-stop Frankensteining of early Transformers material. And the Xantium.
If you don’t think DOTM was Transformers-y, then you must just not be that familiar with Transformers.
Well yes, it was full of Transformers references, but it felt like they were painted onto the outside of another story so people wouldn’t realise the script came from somewhere else. like:
“Ok guys, the script calls for an Alien Invasion, why would the Decepticons be invading the Earth?”
“Oh Oh! I Know! They Could Want The Human Race As Slave To Repair Cybertron, Which They Teleport Into Earth’s Orbit With A SPACE BRIDGE!”
“Yea sure, we’ll go with that, Transformers Fanboy. I knew there was a reason we kept you on the team.”
You have to admit that many elements of the film just turn into a generic Alien Invasion Movie towards the end. Strip out the Transformers and replace with guys in Alien suits in a couple places and you’d almost have a full movie. *remembers how long the movie was* Actually, you’d have a full movie.
Sure it was Transformery, but it felt, well, artificial. Stuck on with chewing gum.
Usually I’m the guy who says “They’re not That bad” about the movies, but, I think this time round I just felt I wanted a little more out of the experience this time round.
You have to remember that the original Transformers cartoon was robots “painted onto the outside” of Superfriends. In fact, I don’t know if I could name a Transformers series that COULDN’T be superficially compared to another genre of story! Even Beast Wars, the greatest of Transformers cartoons, was basically Gilligan’s Island with warring robots, if we want to be petty about it.
I mean, dude, how is “The Ultimate Doom” not the same alien invasion story that Dark of the Moon is? (Plus the Superfriends, of course.) It has the humans-used-for-slaves thing and everything.
I think I’m more concerned about the rather counterproductive KILLING ALL THE HUMANS bit(No wait, we want them as slaves, DOH!) and how it included the clichée of hijacking an Alien ship. Sure it was Friendly Aliens doing the hijacking, but it felt a wasted opportunity of rule of cool and Transformers Not to have them as Transformer alt modes.
With an invasion, the reason for killing civilians would be to invoke fear. But um, the invaders are giant Frigging robots. EVERYONE IS ALREADY SHITTING THEIR PANTS! Plus it is going to make rounding them up a bitch later.
“Er, Hu-mans? You can come out now, we want to keep you alive this time. No senseless killing now, just slavery…”
Bah, “Transformers Animated” was vastly superior to Beast Wars!
Have we ever seen anything in the movies that shows becoming a flier is as simple as scanning a new altmode? I mean, just looking at the designs and sizes of the movieverse fliers implies that there’s some difference between flight-capable and non flight-capable. Even for fliers there are certain benefits of having another vehicles worth of armor with the capability to support bigger guns
Transformers don’t use space ships, people complain.
Transformers use space ships, people complain.
Heck, while I agree that “race of alien robots that turn into vehicles” makes sense for your giant war, “putting said alien robot inside a bigger, deadlier, more armored mode of transportation” makes even more.
Especially when they’re a fifty-foot motorcycle!: http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Turbo_Cycle
Oh! It All Makes Sense Now! They Were Action Masters!
I’d have to agree with that sentiment, putting the alien robot into a bigger, dealier, more armored mode of transportation makes a ton of sense.
But what would be cooler is if that bigger, deadlier, more armored mode of transportation was also a transforming alien robot. Or a whole shitload of them powerlinked together or somesuch.
Admittedly, that’s a complaint I’ve had since the beginning of G1, what with the alien robots that can change into vehicles flying around in Arks and shuttles and whatnot. Why not have all their technology based around living, transformable machines, as they’ve hinted towards now and then (such as with their guns being living doohickeys and whatnot, or everyone piling into Skyfire to get around)? Where’s the dude that transforms into an interplanetary spaceship? Oh, wait, he’s over there, but he’s currently busy transforming into a… locomotive engine… well, that’ll be useful.
Do NOT get me started on the “using humans as slave labor” plot point. That was the stupidest thing I’d ever heard.
Look at the SIZE of Cybertron. It’s damn near solid heavy metals! If they were going with the comics’ interpretation that Cybertron is a “Saturn Sized” planet, it’d have a stronger gravitational pull than JUPITER. It would be the single most significant source of gravitation in the Solar System other than the SUN.
Humans would be a fine red PASTE. Not to mention that six billion fragile fleshy things are a TERRIBLE slave force for thirty foot tall robot people.
Not to mention how with the natural disasters and the mindless slaughtering done by the Decepticons themselves, they end up with barely half a million in the end…
I noticed these plot holes too while watching the movie. I have 2 ways to look at it that ease the pain.
1. The sun harvester was build on earth first and somehow when the all spark was lost in space, it was pulled toward the harvester. The easiest way to solve their problems was for megatron to get the all spark so he went for that first. He originally planned to use the all spark to create more transformers then with optimus dead he would steal the mantle of leadership and resurrect Sentinel Prime. Since he didn’t get the all spark the decepticons looked for help with the fallen and tried to destroy the world. Once that failed he they consipred to just bring their planet in and conquer earth.
2. A wizard did it.
I like your 1st explanation a lot… as for the second, maybe the 2nd trilogy will center around that!
Thinking about the plots of the three Transformers movies is like listening to the Cybernetic Ghost of Christmas past.
The one thing that makes me madder than hell . . . The way Starscream went down. It saddens me too. Because Starscream has always been my favorite Transformer. (And because it was mentioned way earlier . . . Cobra Commander is my favorite character from GI Joe. What can I say? I like villains.)
They have the same awesome voice actors, too, which might be a factor.
Chris Latta for the older cartoons and Charlie Adle for the movie TF series & G.I. Joe: Resolute.
Am I the only one who thought Movie Megatron’s voice actor was a little, I don’t know, week?
Mr. Anderson, we’ve… missed you.
(Hugo Weaving is awesome, you heathen)
Jeez. I’m normally a bit of a voice actor buff, but I didn’t even realize it was Hugo Weaving.
It doesn’t even sound like Mr. Weaving. I thought they just hired some unaccomplished voice actor with an old, lazy, growling voice. What did they do to it? I normally love his acting.
Or perhaps he just didn’t have enough lines to really shine for me.
(Shrug.)
Between this and the “made of tinfoil” comments you’ve made previously, you keep pointing out the things that I absolutely despise about this franchise. It’s like there’ some logic disconnect somewhere because now after seeing this strip I REALLY can’t tell why you love this stuff so much.
If we’re talking spoilers, can we PLEASE talk about the whole Ken Jeong scene? I thought it was funny, a lot of him being him, but [spoilers] the way Laserbeak killed him, rolling him out a window shrieking and arms flailing, was so weird. His death is a minor plot point, and the fact that it’s played for laughs is kind of jarring. I loved the whole scene, but it was just kind of surreal.
Megatron always had one plan in mind… restore Cybertron to it’s former glory.
Some of this is explained in the comics…
It started with him talking with the Fallen and creating the decepticons. The Fallen knew where the star harvester was and it could be used to keep the Allspark charged. That was the first plan.
Then came the war which was destroying Cybertron so Sentinel and Megatron made a plan that would end the war and save Cybertron. Starscream did not know the plan and messed it up by “destroying” the Ark. Megatron thinks Sentinel is dead and scraps that plan. Then Optimus shot the Allspark into space to keep it from Megatron.
Since the Allspark was so important to the survival of Cybertron, Megatron chases after it and gets frozen. His decepticons come to earth looking for him and also discover the wreckage of the Ark on the moon. Sentinel is in stasis lock and as far as the decepticons know, can only be revived by the Allspark.
Megatron is awakened on Earth and the first thing he tries to do is get the Allspark back. Sam kills him and destroys the Allspark. Megatron is revived and since the Allspark is destroyed, can’t revive Sentinel. So he goes with the Fallen’s plan to use it sun harvester. That fails, but does reveal a new way to revive Sentinel, the Matrix. So Megatron goes back to that plan, resulting in Transformers 3.
So if you look at it that way, it is not 3 overlapping plans that conflict with each other, it was just 1 plan that kept needing revising as the situation changed. Wars are not won unless your plan evolves with changes that occur.
well said!
I love how Mr. Willis draws movie Megatron.
This comic hit on a lot of Fridge Logic that has been stewing in the back of my head for a while. This would have been actually pretty cool if Megatron was actually shown having to juggle all these crazy lots.
+A comic. Good show.
“lots” was supposed to be “plots.” Sorry for the typo.
Actually, Megatron is rather smart. Even if it does waste some resources, having a plans based upon the “X” factor saves time.
If Megatron could fly through space, why would being sunk in the ocean do anything to him? Also what happened to Jon Voight (not the dentist, the other one) and also that hot blonde chick who discovered the Decepticon cyber-code?
Oh and why can’t Bumble Bee talk? Ratchet couldn’t find 10 mins to fix his voice, even though it worked at the end of the first film?
Finally, why was Megatron just sitting in an alley like a hobo when Blonde Chick found him and totally played him like a sucka. (Also, why didn’t he stomp her like a cig-butt before going to stab Sentinal’s stupid a**?)
1. It was believed that pressure of the ocean would crush him… they were mistaken.
2. good question, I miss john voight.
3. unless i’m mistaken, she didn’t want to come back. I seem to remember a quote of hers stating something along the line of “I’ve done it once, no need to do it again”
4. I always thought what bumblebee said at the end of TF1 was a radio clip and not him actually talking….
5. megatron WAS just kinda chilling in the back alley like a hobo… that part did bug me a bit.
6. he wanted to show the pretty girl what a BAMF he was… squishing her wouldn’t gain him anything.
Megatron is jealous Starscream gets all the fangirls :p
I honestly think it was because Sentinel Prime punched him in the head… and Megatron was sulking because he thought they were friends, but now all sentinel wanted to do was play with optimus.
1> to quote Futurama…
Prof. Farnsworth: “Good Lord! That’s over 5000 atmospheres of pressure!”
Fry: “How many atmospheres can the ship withstand?”
Prof. Farnsworth: “Well, it was built for space travel, so anywhere between zero and one.”
In the case of Bumblebee’s voice, I seem to recall the canon explanation being “Yeah, his voice works now, he just thinks it’s funny to keep talking with sound clips.”
As for Megatron, I’m putting the blame squarely on those Cybertronian bugs chewing on his think’n bits back in Africa.
I thought that those “bugs” were little Scalpels working feverishly to try and repair megatron’s head/brain. They looked an awful lot like the one that tried to lobotomize Sam in ROTF.
Yeah, but the other interpretation is funnier. XD
Either way, dude’s still got his brains hacked open.
According to IRONHIDE HIMSELF (shut up, it’s not an editor pretending, it’s the REAL Transformers answering the UK magazine letters page!!), Maggie is running her own department at the Rand Corporation and Glenn “still lives with his grandma, playing Dance Dance Revolution with his cousin and eating all the doughnuts. Oh dear.”
CANON.
Nice comic
My thoughts:
Megatron hates Sentinel Prime, so rather than leading with that plan on Earth, he goes for helping the Fallen out, to whom he actually seems to show some genuine regard, if not affection.
As to why all three McGuffins ended up on Earth? Yeah, not a clue there, unless the Allspark somehow tracked in on existign Cybertronian tech, and Sentinel followed Megatron’s flight path *shrugs*
I read it as this:
1. The Allspark is kinda the same as the Fallen plan because the Fallen NEEDS the information in the cube to find the Matrix (to power the harvester)
2. At roughly the same time Sentinel realises the bots won’t win and so he makes a deal with Megatron to use a spacebridge to rebuild cybertron elsewhere (this part makes no sense at this point as the Allspark remains on Cybertron, with the sun anchored to it providing energon for their planet…so I’m not sure why it was necessary, I can only guess because the sun caused the occurence of the drillers and such which was not fun for people)
3. Sentinel is thought to be lost so Megatron cancels the space bridge plan
4. Prime launches the cube into spac delaying the Fallen plan
5. Megatron gets frozen because he’s a tool
6. Soundwave finds Sentinel on the moon and recovers the pillars for safekeeping but the bridge plan remains a backup.
7. The cube is destroyed and the info goes to Sam, the plan remains the same, just Sam is the source now.
8. The matrix is recovered by Prime and the harvester and Fallen are destroyed.
9. Megatron is pretty bummed.
10. The Matrix is now needed to re-power Sentinel as that plan once more comes to the fore.
Megatron never needed Prime, he needed the Matrix which prime had. Deceiving Prime into reviving Sentinel himself was less risky than a weakened Megatron trying to take it by force.
Oh as for everything landing on earth:
Allspark = mistake
Megatron = Following Allspark
Harvester = Left there before, coincidence that the allspark landed there too
Matrix = Dumb Primes not hiding it ELSEWHERE
Sentinel = Supporting comics and novels and stuff say the Ark locked onto the allspark’s signature while the crew were bsuy being dead/ unconscious
Yeah, what’s up with Megatron having reciprocal plans, either of which will likely assure him a victory if the other fails? It’s almost as if he’s competent or something!
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And Oh, wait until we get to Transformers 4 and we find out this everything from the previous films, Including Even His Death was a part of an Even Bigger Xanatos Gambit he had planned to sell out the Earth to Unicron who previously promised to ressurect him as Galvatron.
The worlds not Going to end by a god/s wiping us out it going to end because two different kinds of giant transforming robots keep using our planet as Thier battlefield after they destroyed their own planet doing the exact same thing. The irony is in the first tf movie OP told sam he didint want earth to end up sharing the same fate as cybertron yet now things are getting the same.
(Apologies if this is a double-post, the site’s being all twitchy.)
I won’t pretend the ways in which “Dark of the Moon”‘s plot points interact with those of the last two movies aren’t tricky to figure out (the big one for me has nothing to do with Megatron and more to do with the Decepticons hiding on the Moon and harvesting the Pillars; given that it’s rather clearly implied that only Megatron and Sentinel were aware of the deal to use the Space Bridge to rebuild Cybertron, how did they know to do any of that on their own?), but I actually feel the point raised by this strip is fairly easy to figure out.
Do remember, after all, two facts: 1.) As far as Megatron knew, Sentinel was dead with no way to revive him. 2.) No one, not even The Fallen, knew where the Matrix of Leadership was. No Matrix = No way to revive Sentinel. No way to revive Sentinel = No way to go through on their deal to use the Space Bridge (a deal he most likely would’ve renegged on if he’d succeeded in capturing the All-Spark, I suspect). Thus does Megatron accord himself to The Fallen’s plan to use the Sun Harvester; it’s only after the end of ROTF, when Optimus and Sam have successfully located and re-activated the Matrix of Leadership, that Megatron decides to revisit the plan to use Sentinel and the Space Bridge. Seems simple enough to me; Sentinel’s presence on Earth is still a big honking coincidence, though that too becomes a bit easier to reconcile if you take into account the Profile Info of Sentinel available on the official website which states that HE was the one who revealed that the All-Spark was on Earth, making it the ideal place for their planned “rendevous”.
If there’s one thing I’ve learned from this strip, is that many people invest way too much brain space to Transformers.
See, I’m just telling myself that Megs puts his plans in order of how-awesomely-they-reflect-on-Megatron. First plan: he gets the allspark and runs everything. Second best plan, he has to play second fiddle, but it’s to the robot devil and he’s good at fiddling anyway. Third best plan, he has to work with a damn filthy autobot.. He could never consider doing the more humiliating one til the previous one had failed.
Am I the only one who reads ROTF as Rolling On The Floor every time I see it? And I think of the Spider-Man play when I hear Dark of the Moon.
Despite my best efforts I just could not get excited for this movie.
And after reading spoilers I’m even less jazzed to see it. Spoilers obviously.
they kill EVERYONE I like.
Megs.
Starscream
Soundwave
Shockwave
Laserbeak.
5 of my top 10 favorite Transformers in any continuity (and 3 maybe 4 of my top 5 if I had to choose). All dead in one film. They didn’t kill Ravage in this one because he- OH WAIT, THEY ALREADY KILLED HIM.
Screw you Bay. Here I am defending these damn movies as at the worst somewhat fun and watchable for years and you go and make it either impossible to make a sequel or force them to do some MORE stupid resurrection shenanigans in order to have a Decepticon roster worth watching.
Feh. Whatever.
Next movie has Unicron creating Galvatron, Scourge and Cyclonus. They killed the entire decepticon command chain. ALL of it. We’re getting a Unicron movie next time. Guarantee it.
Bay’s attempts at fanservice are so friggin’ incompetent.
im too lazy to read all of these to see if it was mentioned, but clearly the best part of the movie was pirate steve the badass german hacker!
=P
Super-double-agreed.
+3
The movie was worth seeing for that alone.
Just put “Meanwhile in an alternate universe” at the beginning of each movie and continuity need never worry you again. Thank you quantum.
Just one problem: Optimus being alive wasn’t central to Sentinel Prime’s plan until AFTER Optimus was raised from the dead, since the artifact that raised him was precisely what Optimus used to raise Sentinel Prime.
I haven’t seen the third movie yet, but my biggest question is, if Optimus, a lone prime who cannibalized Jetfire, can kill the Fallen, why didn’t the original Primes, what, 6 of them, kill the Fallen instead of sacrificing themselves to hide the Matrix?
The fact that this Megatron had three contradictory plans going simultaneously, all of which seemed to be coming along fine, makes him the best Megatron ever.
The fact that, even with a multiversal entity, hundreds and hundreds of soldiers, and the leader of the Autobots on his side, all of those plans failed, makes him the worst.
I still think that Revenge of the Fallen is the best one. Best action, most like an episode of Transformers, and most fun.
Once the plot unfolded I thought the same thing, thank you for poking fun at it!
I’d hate to contradict the expert, but Meg never worked on more than one plan at a time, and at the beginning of movie one, all three plans were on hold. The cube hunt was on hold until Sam revealed his grandfather’s glasses on Ebay. The Solar harvester was the contingency for the cube and was put on hold until the cube was gone and Optimus was killed.
The Space Bridge was totally written off until Sam miraculously found the Matrix, the only thing that could revive Sentinel. Remember, all the human co-conspirators killed by Laserbeak were younger than 50. They probably didn’t even start planting the breadcrumbs to the Ark until after the events of movie two.
The Ark/Sentinel stuff began in the 1960s, with Dylan Gould’s father, during the period in which Megatron was still missing and frozen.