Pretty much the same for me. I get the jokes. I just think that 90 percent of them aren’t funny. And that the whole series in general is simply trying to play the geek and nerd card in an attempt to be hip, in and something people want to buy.
This thread went exactly where I was hoping it would without my having to intervene! I still will though, because the internet makes me think my opinions are important. I don’t like BBT because they write to an audience. Their whole purpose is to reference other things that people like to steal some sort of contact fandom, then meander about, rehashing derivative sitcom tropes as long as they can to get syndication and keep the paychecks rolling in. Community has a story to tell, it has direction, and it has far more original characters.
Well yknow..Kaley WAS the replacement for the original actress. The original actress was supposed to be more “alternative”..not so much typical “dumb blond” The writers decided to chuck that idea because they thought it was “too dark”
In my defense of TBBT, it’s a good representation of how geeks/nerds aren’t the social stigma they once were. I mean, just the fact that the show exists, for one thing! And as cheesy as this is going to sound- they are the protagonists, and they are the ones viewers (geeks and non-geeks alike) empathize with and love.
The one episode I saw was – disparaging nerd cliche – offensive geek stereotype – people with Aspergers using vocal tonality and looking in the eyes of friends and strangers – stereotypical dweeb trope – smart people using their brains to accomplish something – RPG gamer stereotype.
Sheldon may arguably have Asperger’s, but without a clinical diagnosis, you can’t say he does. Plus, I can think of somebody who is just as maladjusted as he is and doesn’t have Asperger’s.
It’s a common fan theory (and the actor himself) that Sheldon has Aspergers, but the writers have denied it. So deriding the show for their portrayal someone with Aspergers is like deriding Supernatural for their portrayal of sibling incest.
“people with Aspergers using vocal tonality and looking in the eyes of friends and strangers”
Not sure how this is unusual, I have two friends with Aspergers and they have no problems with this.
Indeed. People with Aspergers can usually communicate themselves quite proficiently. They merely have difficulty understanding the body language, facial expressions, and vocal tones of others. Different parts of the brain and all.
I have Asperger’s and I’ve learned to look people in the eyes and all that jazz. And to whomever said that BBT is horrible needs to watch the Sheldon driving episodes, the “space poop” episode, and the entire fourth season. My only fear is that since they’re starting to go more mainstream they may accidentally “jump the shark”, to quote a trope.
… I mean Aspergian. Second Generation Aspergian actually, so I win.
Also I’ve been using the more general term “Changeling” more often lately… as a delightful callback to more primitive times when our differences would be blamed on baby-snatching fairies as an excuse for infanticide by mundie parents, and also due to growing negative stigma online.
I CAN look people in the eyes, but only do so when I want to creep them out.
Otherwise, I don’t. I communicate vocally, so eye-contact isn’t necessary. Neither is voice-tone modulation. All I need to communicate can be done by context, choice of vocabulary, and pop-culture references… like it is on the Internet.
The crude animal-communication of mundies is beneath me.
I know Ima get a ration for this, but I HATE that show. Not since “Joey” have I had such disdain for a television sitcom. I don’t know if it’s the ridiculously vibrant colors, the predictable punchlines, of if it really is just a subpar show. I am glad it has a following, but if it were real person, I think I’d sabotage it’s career… sorry.
But it wouldn’t be funny if it were a bunch of nerdy girls trying to get a hunky football player, or something. It’s much funnier to watch guys babble and bumble over a hot girl.
That said, I think Big Bang Theory is one of the only good sitcoms on right now. It might be offensive to the people stereotyped in it, but WHO CARES. This COMIC is just as bad!
The ‘Who should be the new Batman?’ conversation between Sheldon and the comic book guy… I rarely say ‘Sheldon is right’, but ‘Jason Todd should be the next Batman’ was just…wrong.
skittles are good for a rush but for an impossibility event you have to use a ton of cadbury cream eggs that send you into an unconscious state of sugar coma hyper rush
Yep. BBT perpetuates horrible nerd stereotypes, and I can’t watch it for more than about ten minutes without wanting to strangle Sheldon. I hate that show.
I made it through the first season, but that was when I had a job where the was nothing to do but dick around on the computer and watch stuff (except for the thirty minutes a day when something happened).
Yeah, I’m glad I’m not the only one who finds it kinda offensive. It’s every other sitcom, but they’re making nerd and geek jokes. Not even real geek jokes, just pop-culture stuff that everyone would know.
Like real comic geeks could easily solve the problem of four people dressed as Flash. There’s two simple answers.
Lol. Seriously it’s a sitcom. They’re heavy on the stereotypes to begin with and it’s not as if there’s a large movement concerned with how nerds are portrayed in the media. According to Jim, Everybody Loves Raymond, both huge on gender stereotypes. Two and a half men hardly sends a positive message either. Don’t even get me started on Will and Grace.
So, yeah nerd stereotypes. What did you expect? Non-stereotypical nerds are hardly common in the media in the first place.
I’m…I’m honestly not sure how that makes it better. “All sitcoms are based on stereotypes” doesn’t really make me want to watch many sitcoms (and, to be fair, I don’t. I think Roseanne and M*A*S*H may be the only ones I ever watched regularly).
And that there aren’t many non-stereotypical nerds? That doesn’t bug you, just a bit? Real nerds are hilarious…why do we have to be represented by a cardboard cutout that should’ve died out with the 80′s?
Starring an Anime fan who lives in a deluded fantasy world, calls himself a ninja and BELIEVES it, whose insanity drove him to kill a man and hunt Asians with pocky.
We are the last people who should criticize how one show portrays nerds.
@Laura (there was no reply button)
It doesn’t make it better, it just provides context. It’s a simple matter of it what’s on the tin. Personally I find it hard to get upset when they practically put a giant neon sign on it proclaiming “Nerd stereotypes here!” It seems like at that point you just don’t watch it if that doesn’t appeal to you.
And no the lack of realistic nerds doesn’t bother me. I would enjoy it if there were some more realistic characters for sure (not just nerds but in general), but an essential part of fiction is the simplification of reality and creation of generalities. So Nerds are antisocial, Jocks are idiots, parents are constantly stressed and don’t know what’s cool, Love is an unstoppable force and inherently more valuable than anything else, whenever there is evil there will be a hero, and vice versa, both of whom will be matched to each others abilities, and the hero will win.
The list goes on, and each entertainment medium has its’ own simplifications that it’s prone to, but television, and sitcoms in particular, are pretty heavy on the stereotypes and one dimensional characters. When you start breaking the story into self contained twenty minute increments, there’s just not much room for character development. It’s just a limitation of that story telling medium.
“Don’t like, don’t watch” has some sway, but at the same time, it’s still kind of a problematic response to bad/stereotyped television. Maybe not horrible, at least in this case, but still.
I think my real problem with BBT is that for awhile it was being pushed as “Oh my gosh, you’re a geek! You must LOVE this show!” At least, that what I kept hearing. It’s not that I didn’t enjoy it in bits and pieces, but I got really tired of it very quickly. Sort of like having that one friend who’s always picking on you, sometimes regarding things your sensitive about–you can take it in fun for awhile, even laugh at it, but after too long…eh. Done.
@Laura. Fair enough. While the don’t watch it if you don’t like it response does have a multitude of flaws I generally feel it’s appropriate when the advertising and appearance of the show are such that one could not plausibly turn it on thinking it was anything but what it was. Of course this does not account for word of mouth, which seems to be where the majority of problems come from with this show.
I generally don’t concern myself too much with nerd image problems. I mean, we’re nerds. It’s just not culturally desirable. There does not exist a school (secondary and under) where nerds are in any way cool. The stigmas attached include just about every possible characteristic that could make one undesirable as a mate, both physically and otherwise.
I gave up on the dream of not having this image attached to me way back in in early adolescence. At the end of the day though, the situation is improving now. As much of nerd culture gets assimilated into mainstream society, while we aren’t as “special” anymore, casual gamers have really reduced the stigma attached to gaming. Nerds in general are associated with wealth now, which is a huge boon. Nerd sub-archetypes are coming into being, which is why shows like bbt can exist, having a main cast of various types of nerds. People now differentiate the anal retentive argumentative nerd from the shy and generally good natured socially awkward individual. It’s all steps towards nerds being a generally accepted part of society, and half the time I just enjoy watching the progression. Eventually hardcore gamers and otaku will likely just be like that guy everyone knows who knows way too much simpsons trivia. Maybe within my life, maybe not. Who can tell with these things?
I don’t know anyone who has watched both The Big Bang Theory and The IT Crowd, despite them appearing to have crossover appeal. I do like the IT Crowd, despite it creating the impression that 3 people can run an IT department for a massive building, and it is full of stereotypes. It’s funny though, which gives it some sway.
As Spider Robinson wrote: “It’s easy to say, but difficult to do/To laugh when the joke is on you.”
I can’t be offended by this group. Zany schemes on levels I can’t possibly hope to match? Awesome. Nerd rage that leads to bigger and better things for a change? Wonderful. Social maladjustment that would be far more crippling if it was remotely realistic? Encouraging.
They bathe. They interact with other people regularly and consistently, even if one is insanely ritualistic about this. None of them are employed in fields that are all about feeding their geek habits. Despite everything they do, they are just another one of the blind men describing the elephant, a bunch of generally dull people who barely misunderstand their world any more than anyone else does.
There’s nothing they’ve done that exceeds the absurdity I’ve noticed in people who follow every movement of a pop star or a sports team, or those obsessed with their jobs or dreams or family. Come to think of it, they’ve got the family and dreams obsessions down as well.
That’s not geek at all people. That’s human. Exaggerated, sure, but not as accessible as some of us take for granted. There are more people that don’t know who Dick Grayson is than you’d believe.
And if you think the equations on the boards are common knowledge… wow. Good for you for knowing them, but you do not have a firm grip on reality.
Well, of course not, but I think the amount of Cadburys eaten by Robin in an HOUR is equivalent to how many Rayne can eat in a month. Dunno. It’s small connections like that that make my brain go bouncing all over.
PAST December? Seriously? We get the new stuff in the last week of December! Two years ago we got our shipment of Cadbury easter stuff on december 31st for pete sake! Plus this August Cadbury released their ‘Cream egg Twisted’ bar which is essentially a cream egg in bar shape. If they do it again next year you only really need to stockpile cream eggs to last ’till about August.
Hoo boy, the return of Cadbury Cereal. Last time she ended up in congress, this time who knows where she could end up? Inside Manley’s pants potentially. President of the World likely. Another dimension battling chrono-pirates and space-sharks, why not? The DoA universe teaching political science, absolutely. It’s like rolling the dice on fate, and the outcome could be literally anything.
I like how thiey’re both just carrying around Cadbury eggs. Like it’s a regular thing that someone just carries around, such as a wallet and a cellphone. Or my ASP.
I used to work with a guy who was essentially a porn mule as a side job. Distributing certain pornographic material was forbidden in my home county for various puritan reasons, and it was his job to transport certain materials, usually videos, between certain locations.
Keep in mind, this was the early 90′s. Internet porn was virtually non-existent for the masses in my hometown at the time. So most people had to acquire porn the old fashioned way, like from a store or something.
Long story short, at any given time, this guy was driving around an old Grand Marquis that was crammed full of an assortment of porn for all tastes. He even had BETAMAX videos in his car.
But two people doing the same thing at the same time? That would surprise me.
It starts with a joke that tries to earnestly appeal to the basic nerd/geek demographic. This is followed by several more forced attempts, until the show degenerates into a cliched nerd stereotype.
I would liken it to a show about black people written by a white guy who has never had any black friends. It starts with good intentions, but by the end it’s all chicken and watermelon jokes.
Hooper X hit it on the head when he said that Big Bang Theory is like a nerd minstrel show. Everyone puts on nerdface and tells jokes that everyone thinks nerds tell.
‘Til death did an episode (prolly a few, but I don’t watch it often) about racial steriotypes. the end joke was that all the black people ate at a restaraunt that served Chicken and Waffles ON THE SAME PLATE and the fact that it wasn’t just black people that thought it was awesome.
I swear every single thread that so much as mentions BBT eventually gets to this point where people claim that it’s offensive because nerds don’t really act like that, and then other people point out that they live/work/study with plenty of nerds who do behave essentially that way and then it’s basically all “NO U” from there on.
Here’s a spoiler for how this ends: Everybody ends up thinking that the other group doesn’t understand and/or appreciate nerds as much as they do.
It occurs to me that stereo types are stereo types for a reason Dawg…As a Watermelon eatin, chicken lovin, big dicked, B-ball playin black man (who also works with geeks at Bestbuy) that my opening sentence is 100% truth. Truth hurts don’t it?
Big Bang theory is da shit yo! Only improvement I can think of would be a shortie for Raj. A loud mouthed little fat black girl who can do all the talking 4 da both of em would be perfect yo!
Jake/Robin OTP! I was so mad when you introduced Leslie/Robin after that brief, beautiful tease of Robin’s soulmate/colleague . . . Leslie/Robin was a beautiful thing, but I mean, come on, Robin can fit her fist in her mouth.
I like the Big Bang Theory. So there :-p There’s a lack of sitcoms in the world as it is. If you want to stop bad programming, go after Jersey Shore or The Real Housewives of Blahville, etc.
Survivor: Antarctica would at least be interesting. Let’s see how much complaining and pettiness those douchebags display after they lose a toe or two to frostbite.
I keep saying that they should try surviving in northern Canada somewhere. I give them one week, tops, before they all quit/die; between the insects, nasty weather, and the risk of being eaten by bears/wolves/moose/etc.
“A lack of sitcoms in the world” and you’re acting like this is a problem?
You know, sitcoms are what people used to point to when complaining that TV was full of vapid garbage, before “reality TV” exploded and they realized there was something even worse.
TV IS vapid garbage. That’s not to say I don’t enjoy it, but honestly, try to find any show that some group or another doesn’t like. All the comments for and against BBT can be entered into evidence on this. What I’m saying is, there will always be a show or genre that people will point a finger at and say “that’s ruining television!” At first, it was merely the existence of TV itself.
That being said, any word on an It’s Walky!, Roomies!, or Shortpacked! tv show? lol
Oh, crap. I saw something like this coming as soon as I saw Jake. I just thought maybe I was thinking too far into things.
Honestly, I saw something like this coming from the very beginning of Robin and Leslie’s relationship.
I swear to God, Willis, if you hurt Leslie…
Yeah, with the comments pointing out the title of this arc, and tandem Cadbury cereal a-brewin’, what happens next can’t be good for Leslie. I’m betting she finds Jake and Robin in her bed when she goes to turn in for the night.
Oh, and hey, if we want to go for a twofer, Jake could turn out to be an ex-boyfriend of Drew’s.
Upon exiting their diabetic seisure and regaining consiousness, they’ve changed America into a dictatorship and have been leading the clountry into achieving a true empire.
They already have Canada and are debating whether to go after Japan or Europe next.
Am i the only one who thinks that Male robin looks really weird in the third panel? like he’s off model or something. this strips art just looks a little off, not quite shure why.
Me and the wife qute enjoy the Big Bang Theory. Funny show. One of the VEY few network shows we watch. I DO understand how it could be annoying to the Nerdcore and sundry others. The geekiness can be rather superficial at times and a number of times I’ve thought “real geeks” wouldn’t do/or say/or not know this or that. But still, usually quite funny IMO anyway.
Sure, real geeks wouldn’t say a lot of the things they would. The main reason for that is that most real geeks have no talent for comedy or writing. Sheldon’s desperation to manufacture a comeback? That is much closer to the reality.
A secondary reason for that is most of the geek humour I’ve encountered has tended to be more bitter and/or raunchy, if not always to the point of desperation. Seriously, the jockeying for position that goes on in geek humour is more tedious than that found in inter-city/team rivalry jokes.
TBBT quality goes up and down like a yo-yo, sometimes they have a funny episode, other times not a single laugh for a few.
But, really, I can’t see any reason to find it offensive.
If you think “They are nerds. I am a nerd. Therefor their depiction of what I am upsets me” then your falling for a false equality.
Its exactly like;
“Cats are quadrupeds. Dogs are quadrupeds. Therefor my cat is a dog”
XD Shes got her work cut out for her.. cause much of that is just human nature. While the economy and disparity of income is workable (depending on which point of view your working from), racism and homophobia are natural to human nature, it’s only because we gave them special ‘bad’ names is why they’re seen so bad.
It’s like how people treat those they perceive as rednecks, or nerds, or jocks, or old people, young people.. etc.. etc… Yet somehow these particular stereotypes don’t get quite the same attention, because someone deemed they’re not ‘offensive’ enough.
or its because racism and homophobia are far more fanatically led, and thus far more dangerous.
If it was just “oh look, gays are really neat and have fashion sense” style sterotypes that would be compariable. But its often far, far worse then that, and theres still legal inequalitys such as marriage and (as is the recent topic) military rules.
This isn’t just “offending people” this is treating people different.
Likewise for racism.
This brings up something I don’t understand about the issue with the military. Why? Why can’t they just leave it at ‘we don’t ask you, you don’t tell us.’ how is that not fair?
I’ll admit,even though my brother and dad are in the army, I don’t know some things about it. Do men and women share the same sleeping quarters? the same bathing facilities? If it’s all Co-sex, than I say go ahead, it’s no more offensive than that. However, if they seperate men and women, do they now need to seperate gays/lesbians and hetero soldiers? Or would that be offensive too?
Because the way “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” works, is that if someone DOES tell ANYONE AT ALL about being gay, and it somehow gets back to their commanding officers, they’re kicked out of the military. Even if they didn’t tell another soldier, if the truth comes out in any manner, their career is over.
Also, if for someone reason, someone KNOWS that a person is gay when they’re trying to sign up to join the military, they’ll be denied, even if the applicant never says anything.
Also, Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell causes soldiers to be ashamed of who they are, because they can’t be honest anything. Soldiers in the military talk about their loved ones all the time. They have pictures of their wives and kids posted up, and so on. A gay soldier, because of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, can’t post those things, because of the fear that if the wrong person sees it, they’ll be booted out.
Since rednecks usually marry their cousins they technically aren’t allowed to marry. Or is that hillbillies? I get them confused. Which one doesn’t have teeth?
I think it’s really despicable how so many rednecks have to either live with the fear of being beaten to death or actually being beaten to death, only to have protesters at their funeral chanting about how they’re burning in Hell because God hates Nascar.
There should really be a documentary or something.
Right, because PETA frequently demonstrates outside funerals. And promoting compassion is, obviously, the exact same as perpetuating hatred and bigotry.
Never said it was okay, just said she’s not gonna fix it without somehow either changing what humans are, or pass a law that’s gonna border on something 1984 level. We have so many laws already that protect peoples ‘feelings’ getting hurt, it’s getting out of hand.
Course, Robins above something like that. Hmm.. then again, she was gonna pass a law to make Ethan make out with someone ‘against his will’. n_n Not that it would have held up, but it’s something she tried.
Actually, “human nature” and “ignorance” have come to seem like pretty good synonyms to me. The good thing is that we have the capacity to overcome it. It saddens me that we have a tendency to waste that capacity.
Homophobia and racism are *not* “natural” to human behavior at all though. Even making the social classification in the first place is a learned behavior. Whitewashing socially destructive tendencies as just being “an inherent” part of human existence is deeply cynical and wrongheaded.
We know enough about how humans *do* function neurologically at this point to put such claims utterly to rest. There is no predisposition toward hating gays. There is no predisposition toward hating minority groups. The tribal predispositions that we do have depend very heavily on how we decide to define our in and out groups. They can be much more inclusive than they tend to be.
If you were to kill off everyone who had an issue with homosexuality or a particular race or nationality those issues would disappear completely within a generation. And they would not recur without someone making a concerted effort to raise fear and xenophobia.
If we kill off all people with a phobia, there will never be fear again!
No offense, but generally phobias are due to bad experiences. Whether you wish to believe it or not, Racism is a phobia. The exact phobia may be different per racist. some are afraid of black people, some are afraid of racial mixing, ect. ect.
I’m thinkin’ the Bi and Partisan are separate for a reason. Meaning Robin and Jake will work together and being mutually oblivious to things regarding each other, nothing romantic will come of it.
Then Robin comes home to find Drew and Leslie bangin’.
Really? That’s precisely why I enjoy the series.
(Not trying to start an argument, just adding my own opinion to the pile – and doing so extraordinarily late at that)
Why bother with a tv show? Either enough people watch it that it generates jobs and revenue and stays on the air or noone cares for it ang it gets cancelled. Eventually it reaches a tipping point anyway and gets cancelled.
A few shows have recognized when it was time to get off stage. Some of those didn’t know enough to stay off stage, but it has happened.
Then again, I’m of the rare opinion that the main reason Firefly was such a good show is because it was cancelled early, just as Kublai Khan owes a lot to that interuption at the door.
Not sure really, both Dollhouse and Buffy both got better beyond their first seasons. Angel too. I think Firefly would have too.
Certainly many shows run out of steam, but others fluxulate up/down, and others take awhile to get going before they are truely kick-arse (Fringe,Farscape). I dont think shorter is always better.
I doubt it. It was pretty good as it was, and that was even with Fox screwing Whedon so hard they had to reuse Starship Trooper props and kept him so busy trying to keep the show afloat he forgot to include Chinese people in featured roles.
Then there are some shows that are only intended to run a certain length of time. For instance, Babylon 5 was always supposed to be a 5-season show (although due to fear of cancellation, the storyline was wrapped up in 4 seasons, and the actual 5th was… a bit meh in places.)
The cancellation of Firefly, I have it on good authority, will be the primary evidence used against us by the High Prosecutor, when the Galactic Council is debating whether or not Humanity should be wiped out before it spreads. (Debate is projected to last another 120 years, so at least there is some breathing room, and a chance for redemption. We managed to bring back Futrurama…)
Cadbury Creme Eggs? That’s Rayne Summers’ weak point, that and Red Bull, and its been proven he can be bribed with them… is he going to make a guest appearance? (Crosses fingers) If he does, I hope he meats Roz as those two meeting would be full of Lulz and win. True story.
Miss Bean may be open to Robin following her heart – or chocolate eggs, as the case may be. Then Robin will be like, “D’oh!” and realize there is no way in hell some guy (no matter his scent of Skittles) is going to be cool enough to take her to the airport to get a body scan for funzies.
Or shit’s gonna go down…
OR! David is laughing at us all because we’re falling prey to his seemingly obvious plot trap. He’s gonna do something to make us wish we were all just QC readers, that’s what’s gonna happen.
Leslie is going to fall for him since he’s just like Robin, and start having a relationship/identity crisis about her lesbian-ness and being with Robin.
I agree. Big Bang Theory does need to be fixed. Last night Sheldon made quite a kerfuffle regarding Penny’s costume, stating, “In what Universe is Wonder Woman blonde?” Well, Wonder Woman was blonde on Earth 3898 (the daughter of Diana Prince and Steve Trevor), and also in the main continuity when Artemis took over the mantle of Wonder Woman for a while.
This is something that Obsessive Fact Boy should have known.
I’m not sure why people take shots at the BBT. I know it’s not to everyone’s taste, but “Two and a Half Men” has been surviving largely on the same three jokes for seven years now, and it’s still not funny.
my answer to almost every questions is, “duh, ______, what the hell kind of question is that?” ‘hey, Ryu, which star wars was better, empire or jedi?” “Duh, Empire, what the hell kind of question is that?”
i love the fact that david willis comments in the comment sections.
unlike some of the webcomics, it makes us(well at least me) feel that we’re heard, instead of a i-draw-shit-you-guys-talk-about-it thingy. and that just feels great.
The Big Bang Theory rules.
Preach it! It doesn’t need fixing.
You shouldn’t fix what ain’t broke.
Darn tootin’. BBT rules. Some just don’t get the geek jokes
Damn right.
I get it. I just think it’s lame, boring, derivative, retrograde, and replaces actual insight into nerddom with quick scans of Wikipedia.
Pretty much the same for me. I get the jokes. I just think that 90 percent of them aren’t funny. And that the whole series in general is simply trying to play the geek and nerd card in an attempt to be hip, in and something people want to buy.
Bazingo.
Now Communtiy, there’s a good nerd show.
This thread went exactly where I was hoping it would without my having to intervene! I still will though, because the internet makes me think my opinions are important. I don’t like BBT because they write to an audience. Their whole purpose is to reference other things that people like to steal some sort of contact fandom, then meander about, rehashing derivative sitcom tropes as long as they can to get syndication and keep the paychecks rolling in. Community has a story to tell, it has direction, and it has far more original characters.
Iiiii dunno, I feel like they could’ve gotten someone other than Kaley Cuoco…
Well yknow..Kaley WAS the replacement for the original actress. The original actress was supposed to be more “alternative”..not so much typical “dumb blond” The writers decided to chuck that idea because they thought it was “too dark”
Exactly how would that be “Dark”? Unless by “Alternative” you meant “Self-harmer”, rather than just “Hipster-Chick”.
In my defense of TBBT, it’s a good representation of how geeks/nerds aren’t the social stigma they once were. I mean, just the fact that the show exists, for one thing! And as cheesy as this is going to sound- they are the protagonists, and they are the ones viewers (geeks and non-geeks alike) empathize with and love.
…this isn’t where I wanted to respond… XD
agreed!
Big Bang Theory is terrible.
There, I said it.
Of course, I hate most conventional sitcoms, so take that into consideration when reading my opinion.
The one episode I saw was – disparaging nerd cliche – offensive geek stereotype – people with Aspergers using vocal tonality and looking in the eyes of friends and strangers – stereotypical dweeb trope – smart people using their brains to accomplish something – RPG gamer stereotype.
There’s nobody with Aspergers on the Big Bang Theory.
Sheldon is debatable
Sheldon may arguably have Asperger’s, but without a clinical diagnosis, you can’t say he does. Plus, I can think of somebody who is just as maladjusted as he is and doesn’t have Asperger’s.
And Sheldon is not crazy. His mother had him tested.
So there.
It’s a common fan theory (and the actor himself) that Sheldon has Aspergers, but the writers have denied it. So deriding the show for their portrayal someone with Aspergers is like deriding Supernatural for their portrayal of sibling incest.
“people with Aspergers using vocal tonality and looking in the eyes of friends and strangers”
Not sure how this is unusual, I have two friends with Aspergers and they have no problems with this.
Indeed. People with Aspergers can usually communicate themselves quite proficiently. They merely have difficulty understanding the body language, facial expressions, and vocal tones of others. Different parts of the brain and all.
I have aspergers the only reason I don’t look into people’s eyes is that I’m looking at everything else since I have ADHD as well
I have Asperger’s and I’ve learned to look people in the eyes and all that jazz. And to whomever said that BBT is horrible needs to watch the Sheldon driving episodes, the “space poop” episode, and the entire fourth season. My only fear is that since they’re starting to go more mainstream they may accidentally “jump the shark”, to quote a trope.
I’m Spartacus! …
… I mean Aspergian. Second Generation Aspergian actually, so I win.
Also I’ve been using the more general term “Changeling” more often lately… as a delightful callback to more primitive times when our differences would be blamed on baby-snatching fairies as an excuse for infanticide by mundie parents, and also due to growing negative stigma online.
I CAN look people in the eyes, but only do so when I want to creep them out.
Otherwise, I don’t. I communicate vocally, so eye-contact isn’t necessary. Neither is voice-tone modulation. All I need to communicate can be done by context, choice of vocabulary, and pop-culture references… like it is on the Internet.
The crude animal-communication of mundies is beneath me.
“people with Aspergers using vocal tonality and looking in the eyes of friends and strangers”
I don’t see how that’s wrong, seeing as how I do just fine.
It’s a sitcom about nerds, written by nerds, written for nerds, and starring a nerd or two. I’d call that pretty unconventional.
I know Ima get a ration for this, but I HATE that show. Not since “Joey” have I had such disdain for a television sitcom. I don’t know if it’s the ridiculously vibrant colors, the predictable punchlines, of if it really is just a subpar show. I am glad it has a following, but if it were real person, I think I’d sabotage it’s career… sorry.
Preach on! BBT is a great show, moonpie.
Nobody calls me moonpie but mee-maw!
Soft Kitty/Warm Kitty/Little Ball of Fur/…
That comment plus an angry Mike avatar is DISTURBING.
…Throw it in the blender and/Whir, whir, whir…
Soft kitty is for when you’re sick! I’m not sick!
Verbally abused online is a kind of sick…
I guess if you like shows that pretend only dudes can be nerds and women are just objects of their affection
What about Bernadette and Amy? Girls and nerds. The new guy Zach? Lovely stupid male eye candy.
Don’t forget Leslie Winkle!
I spent all of season three wondering where she was, and then she got five minutes in the final episode.
Does she get more time in season four?
But it wouldn’t be funny if it were a bunch of nerdy girls trying to get a hunky football player, or something. It’s much funnier to watch guys babble and bumble over a hot girl.
That said, I think Big Bang Theory is one of the only good sitcoms on right now. It might be offensive to the people stereotyped in it, but WHO CARES. This COMIC is just as bad!
The people it stereotypes? You mean the North Koreans?
…It’s probably a good thing Penny never met Joyce Kim, isn’t it?
I love that show! At least once an episode I have to laugh, blush, and admit “I’ve had that conversation”.
The ‘Who should be the new Batman?’ conversation between Sheldon and the comic book guy… I rarely say ‘Sheldon is right’, but ‘Jason Todd should be the next Batman’ was just…wrong.
I’ve been reliably informed that I am in fact Sheldon in disguise
Big Bang Theory sucks balls
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBV5CxGVIXY
That was MY first thought while reading the comic.
That it rocks. Not that it sucks. Shouldn’t have posted without reading down to Rasputin’s comment.
NO SKITTLES WHUT
There’d better be Skittles!
skittles are good for a rush but for an impossibility event you have to use a ton of cadbury cream eggs that send you into an unconscious state of sugar coma hyper rush
? okay…
It seemed plausible until fixing BBT. That’s an impossible task even Ghandi would say “Fuck dis shit” to.
…I love Big Bang Theory.
Yep. BBT perpetuates horrible nerd stereotypes, and I can’t watch it for more than about ten minutes without wanting to strangle Sheldon. I hate that show.
I made it through the first season, but that was when I had a job where the was nothing to do but dick around on the computer and watch stuff (except for the thirty minutes a day when something happened).
Yeah, I’m glad I’m not the only one who finds it kinda offensive. It’s every other sitcom, but they’re making nerd and geek jokes. Not even real geek jokes, just pop-culture stuff that everyone would know.
Like real comic geeks could easily solve the problem of four people dressed as Flash. There’s two simple answers.
Genius!
Why didn’t I think of that.
“. Not even real geek jokes, just pop-culture stuff that everyone would know”
Thats true. (oddly, HIMYM has more often geeky references).
But -sometimes- they hit the mark on the BBT.
Like being dressed up as the Doppler effect gave me a chuckle.
“horrible nerd stereotypes”
*looks at the website we’re on*
Lol. Seriously it’s a sitcom. They’re heavy on the stereotypes to begin with and it’s not as if there’s a large movement concerned with how nerds are portrayed in the media. According to Jim, Everybody Loves Raymond, both huge on gender stereotypes. Two and a half men hardly sends a positive message either. Don’t even get me started on Will and Grace.
So, yeah nerd stereotypes. What did you expect? Non-stereotypical nerds are hardly common in the media in the first place.
I think I remember every gay person I know having at worst a neutral opinion of Will and Grace.
But it was a while ago.
Will & Grace has ended, thankfully, and let us never speak of it again.
I’m…I’m honestly not sure how that makes it better. “All sitcoms are based on stereotypes” doesn’t really make me want to watch many sitcoms (and, to be fair, I don’t. I think Roseanne and M*A*S*H may be the only ones I ever watched regularly).
And that there aren’t many non-stereotypical nerds? That doesn’t bug you, just a bit? Real nerds are hilarious…why do we have to be represented by a cardboard cutout that should’ve died out with the 80′s?
This is a webcomic.
Starring an Anime fan who lives in a deluded fantasy world, calls himself a ninja and BELIEVES it, whose insanity drove him to kill a man and hunt Asians with pocky.
We are the last people who should criticize how one show portrays nerds.
@Laura (there was no reply button)
It doesn’t make it better, it just provides context. It’s a simple matter of it what’s on the tin. Personally I find it hard to get upset when they practically put a giant neon sign on it proclaiming “Nerd stereotypes here!” It seems like at that point you just don’t watch it if that doesn’t appeal to you.
And no the lack of realistic nerds doesn’t bother me. I would enjoy it if there were some more realistic characters for sure (not just nerds but in general), but an essential part of fiction is the simplification of reality and creation of generalities. So Nerds are antisocial, Jocks are idiots, parents are constantly stressed and don’t know what’s cool, Love is an unstoppable force and inherently more valuable than anything else, whenever there is evil there will be a hero, and vice versa, both of whom will be matched to each others abilities, and the hero will win.
The list goes on, and each entertainment medium has its’ own simplifications that it’s prone to, but television, and sitcoms in particular, are pretty heavy on the stereotypes and one dimensional characters. When you start breaking the story into self contained twenty minute increments, there’s just not much room for character development. It’s just a limitation of that story telling medium.
@gangler
“Don’t like, don’t watch” has some sway, but at the same time, it’s still kind of a problematic response to bad/stereotyped television. Maybe not horrible, at least in this case, but still.
I think my real problem with BBT is that for awhile it was being pushed as “Oh my gosh, you’re a geek! You must LOVE this show!” At least, that what I kept hearing. It’s not that I didn’t enjoy it in bits and pieces, but I got really tired of it very quickly. Sort of like having that one friend who’s always picking on you, sometimes regarding things your sensitive about–you can take it in fun for awhile, even laugh at it, but after too long…eh. Done.
@Laura. Fair enough. While the don’t watch it if you don’t like it response does have a multitude of flaws I generally feel it’s appropriate when the advertising and appearance of the show are such that one could not plausibly turn it on thinking it was anything but what it was. Of course this does not account for word of mouth, which seems to be where the majority of problems come from with this show.
I generally don’t concern myself too much with nerd image problems. I mean, we’re nerds. It’s just not culturally desirable. There does not exist a school (secondary and under) where nerds are in any way cool. The stigmas attached include just about every possible characteristic that could make one undesirable as a mate, both physically and otherwise.
I gave up on the dream of not having this image attached to me way back in in early adolescence. At the end of the day though, the situation is improving now. As much of nerd culture gets assimilated into mainstream society, while we aren’t as “special” anymore, casual gamers have really reduced the stigma attached to gaming. Nerds in general are associated with wealth now, which is a huge boon. Nerd sub-archetypes are coming into being, which is why shows like bbt can exist, having a main cast of various types of nerds. People now differentiate the anal retentive argumentative nerd from the shy and generally good natured socially awkward individual. It’s all steps towards nerds being a generally accepted part of society, and half the time I just enjoy watching the progression. Eventually hardcore gamers and otaku will likely just be like that guy everyone knows who knows way too much simpsons trivia. Maybe within my life, maybe not. Who can tell with these things?
What stereotypes? The guys all bathe.
I don’t know anyone who has watched both The Big Bang Theory and The IT Crowd, despite them appearing to have crossover appeal. I do like the IT Crowd, despite it creating the impression that 3 people can run an IT department for a massive building, and it is full of stereotypes. It’s funny though, which gives it some sway.
Actually, I am a huge fan of both Big Bang Theory and The IT Crowd
“Uses”!=”perpetuates”.
This time around, she’s going to super speed punch congress in the FAAAAAACE
Oh god. It’s breakfast time, laides and gents…
As Spider Robinson wrote: “It’s easy to say, but difficult to do/To laugh when the joke is on you.”
I can’t be offended by this group. Zany schemes on levels I can’t possibly hope to match? Awesome. Nerd rage that leads to bigger and better things for a change? Wonderful. Social maladjustment that would be far more crippling if it was remotely realistic? Encouraging.
They bathe. They interact with other people regularly and consistently, even if one is insanely ritualistic about this. None of them are employed in fields that are all about feeding their geek habits. Despite everything they do, they are just another one of the blind men describing the elephant, a bunch of generally dull people who barely misunderstand their world any more than anyone else does.
There’s nothing they’ve done that exceeds the absurdity I’ve noticed in people who follow every movement of a pop star or a sports team, or those obsessed with their jobs or dreams or family. Come to think of it, they’ve got the family and dreams obsessions down as well.
That’s not geek at all people. That’s human. Exaggerated, sure, but not as accessible as some of us take for granted. There are more people that don’t know who Dick Grayson is than you’d believe.
And if you think the equations on the boards are common knowledge… wow. Good for you for knowing them, but you do not have a firm grip on reality.
Sorry, wrote this reply in the wrong spot. Easy to say indeed…
Just add milk, duh.
By the way, I’m wondering, Robin isn’t a distant cousin of Rayne Summers, is she?
No. She just has ADHD or something, not Sociopathic Misogynist Syndrome.
Well, of course not, but I think the amount of Cadburys eaten by Robin in an HOUR is equivalent to how many Rayne can eat in a month. Dunno. It’s small connections like that that make my brain go bouncing all over.
Sugar fuels her super power, according to “It’s Walky!”.
If you don’t carry around Cadbury eggs, you’re un-American. True story.
Never really liked Cadbury Eggs. Don’t hate em’, but I don’t care for em’ either.
Now pardon me while I flip through my little red book, Comrade.
Despite the fact that they’re based in Britain?
BECAUSE they’re based in Britain. Trust me, it works.
Three Captain America avatars making jokes about the patrioticness of Cadbury eggs maid my night. Thank you.
Make that four.
It’s extremely American to claim British stuff as our own. How do you think we got this sweet land!
Because Britain couldn’t pull the trigger!
…Sorry. I watched the first season of Axis Powers Hetalia this week…
By fucking over Native Americans?
Your answer was better.
Kraft bought them out earlier this year. They’re American now.
/consoles self on the Creme Egg Ice Cream Cones you can get now
I did not know that. This explains why now I can buy cadbury cream egg candi bars all year round.
I always have mine!
(Though I’m Scottish)
…so I have to wonder if they’re secretly twins.
Y’know, it could be a side effect of the drama tag or somethin.
Darn you! Now I want some Cadbury Creme Eggs.
At least now stockpiling enough of them to last past December will occur to us next April.
PAST December? Seriously? We get the new stuff in the last week of December! Two years ago we got our shipment of Cadbury easter stuff on december 31st for pete sake! Plus this August Cadbury released their ‘Cream egg Twisted’ bar which is essentially a cream egg in bar shape. If they do it again next year you only really need to stockpile cream eggs to last ’till about August.
This can only end in AWESOME!
Oh. I see what you did there with the story arc’s title.
Took me way too long to see that.
I’ve been looking for a reason to bring it up.
I wonder if that refers to both of their political orientations or just Robin’s.
Don’t do it. Robins lesbian doesn’t deserve this… just stop now… you can still save the lesbian love!
I’m with you there.
I love the shenanigans in this strip, but Leslie is an awesome character.
It’s amazing that I’m concerned about the potential heartbreak of a fictional character.
Um, they aren’t even remotely romantic yet. Chill, dude. Start yelling when they do something more than compose a bill.
I am not yelling yet. My finger has gone nowhere near the caps lock key.
im not yelling either… just saying… don’t do it.
I…may or may not be extraordinarily attracted to this guy now. Dangit, Willis! Why’d you have to go and invent PSL?
Hoo boy, the return of Cadbury Cereal. Last time she ended up in congress, this time who knows where she could end up? Inside Manley’s pants potentially. President of the World likely. Another dimension battling chrono-pirates and space-sharks, why not? The DoA universe teaching political science, absolutely. It’s like rolling the dice on fate, and the outcome could be literally anything.
If they’re both dosing on ‘em, one will be president of the world and the other will be vice-president.
I wonder if male!Robin is also an abductee.
I recall Head Alien mentioning that there were a lot that Semme hadn’t recruited.
I like how thiey’re both just carrying around Cadbury eggs. Like it’s a regular thing that someone just carries around, such as a wallet and a cellphone. Or my ASP.
You’d be surprised what sorts of things people just carry around.
For individuals? No I wouldn’t.
I used to work with a guy who was essentially a porn mule as a side job. Distributing certain pornographic material was forbidden in my home county for various puritan reasons, and it was his job to transport certain materials, usually videos, between certain locations.
Keep in mind, this was the early 90′s. Internet porn was virtually non-existent for the masses in my hometown at the time. So most people had to acquire porn the old fashioned way, like from a store or something.
Long story short, at any given time, this guy was driving around an old Grand Marquis that was crammed full of an assortment of porn for all tastes. He even had BETAMAX videos in his car.
But two people doing the same thing at the same time? That would surprise me.
They couldn’t just download some ASCII porn from the local BBS, eh?
They were a bunch of redneck peanut farmers. A lot of them didn’t have phone lines.
I think I should clarify here, however.
Selling and owning porn wasn’t a problem.
Distributing it was illegal through a complicated mess of local and state laws.
Also, didn’t like 5 people do that in the early 90′s?
It was uncommon to say the least.
I have no strong feelings about Big Bang Theory one way or the other!!!
Same here! I’ve never really gotten into it but I’ve seen some pretty funny episodes!
Usually the episodes I’ve seem to go like this:
It starts with a joke that tries to earnestly appeal to the basic nerd/geek demographic. This is followed by several more forced attempts, until the show degenerates into a cliched nerd stereotype.
I would liken it to a show about black people written by a white guy who has never had any black friends. It starts with good intentions, but by the end it’s all chicken and watermelon jokes.
Hooper X hit it on the head when he said that Big Bang Theory is like a nerd minstrel show. Everyone puts on nerdface and tells jokes that everyone thinks nerds tell.
‘Til death did an episode (prolly a few, but I don’t watch it often) about racial steriotypes. the end joke was that all the black people ate at a restaraunt that served Chicken and Waffles ON THE SAME PLATE and the fact that it wasn’t just black people that thought it was awesome.
I swear every single thread that so much as mentions BBT eventually gets to this point where people claim that it’s offensive because nerds don’t really act like that, and then other people point out that they live/work/study with plenty of nerds who do behave essentially that way and then it’s basically all “NO U” from there on.
Here’s a spoiler for how this ends: Everybody ends up thinking that the other group doesn’t understand and/or appreciate nerds as much as they do.
With all due respect to Hooper (that is to say, exactly what I’m giving it), it helps to view the show from outside of your own rectal cavity.
It also shares several of the same writers and science researchers as Futurama.
Your move, Willis. Your move.
Jonn: And Star Trek shared the same writers as Revenge of the Fallen. YOUR MOVE.
It occurs to me that stereo types are stereo types for a reason Dawg…As a Watermelon eatin, chicken lovin, big dicked, B-ball playin black man (who also works with geeks at Bestbuy) that my opening sentence is 100% truth. Truth hurts don’t it?
Big Bang theory is da shit yo! Only improvement I can think of would be a shortie for Raj. A loud mouthed little fat black girl who can do all the talking 4 da both of em would be perfect yo!
Yes. You definitely work in a Best Buy.
is it just me or is his face and hair a bit like walkies?
Jake/Robin OTP! I was so mad when you introduced Leslie/Robin after that brief, beautiful tease of Robin’s soulmate/colleague . . . Leslie/Robin was a beautiful thing, but I mean, come on, Robin can fit her fist in her mouth.
I actually agree. Robin/Leslie is cute, but they don’t seem to have much in common. Robin/Jake otp.
I can see them being long lost twins or something liek that. there is nothing wrong with BBT. its Zazzy
Honestly, I’m wondering why Robin didn’t break the eggs out soon. She could have salvaged her election.
Also, I’m wondering where she got them in December, since I thought they stopped making the Holiday Eggs, cuz I haven’t seen them anywhere.
Anywhoo… I’m probably not the only one expecting this to go badly, am I? Please don’t hurt our favorite Lesbian (Leslie), okay Willis? Pweeze….
You can’t just leave Cadbury eggs in the car! They’ll melt!
Oh please. It’s Ultra Car.
ok….the mention of cream eggs and think tanking makes me wonder if a guess appearance from “least I could do” is gonna happen
And speaking of unfunny comedies…
I like the Big Bang Theory. So there :-p There’s a lack of sitcoms in the world as it is. If you want to stop bad programming, go after Jersey Shore or The Real Housewives of Blahville, etc.
I’ll get behind this. Reality TV is ruining this country!
Also, Survivor for 16 years? Really? How many more lost and abandoned locations in the world are there? Where does it end? “Survivor: Antarctica”?
Auschwitz.
Survivor: Antarctica would at least be interesting. Let’s see how much complaining and pettiness those douchebags display after they lose a toe or two to frostbite.
I keep saying that they should try surviving in northern Canada somewhere. I give them one week, tops, before they all quit/die; between the insects, nasty weather, and the risk of being eaten by bears/wolves/moose/etc.
Indeed.
I’m still missing Earl and Better of Ted too
Yeah, Better Off Ted got a raw deal. It was an awesome show.
Agree. Better Off Ted was another great show that the networks just didn’t “get”. The fake commercials were great fun.
“A lack of sitcoms in the world” and you’re acting like this is a problem?
You know, sitcoms are what people used to point to when complaining that TV was full of vapid garbage, before “reality TV” exploded and they realized there was something even worse.
TV IS vapid garbage. That’s not to say I don’t enjoy it, but honestly, try to find any show that some group or another doesn’t like. All the comments for and against BBT can be entered into evidence on this. What I’m saying is, there will always be a show or genre that people will point a finger at and say “that’s ruining television!” At first, it was merely the existence of TV itself.
That being said, any word on an It’s Walky!, Roomies!, or Shortpacked! tv show? lol
I am divided. I love Leslie, but I think Jake here is awesome too!
Oh, crap. I saw something like this coming as soon as I saw Jake. I just thought maybe I was thinking too far into things.
Honestly, I saw something like this coming from the very beginning of Robin and Leslie’s relationship.
I swear to God, Willis, if you hurt Leslie…
Oh dear God, they will consume the cadbury eggs and then they will be in bed together. DX
You make it sound like the activities won’t overlap.
Cadbury eggs have no business winding up all over the drama tag.
But that’s the problem with cadbury eggs. By the time your done eating one, its gotten all over everything.
The last time I ate one, the cat was pissed at me for weeks.
That was my first thought too!! I’d be surprised if the next strip isn’t exactly that scenario.
Yeah, with the comments pointing out the title of this arc, and tandem Cadbury cereal a-brewin’, what happens next can’t be good for Leslie. I’m betting she finds Jake and Robin in her bed when she goes to turn in for the night.
Oh, and hey, if we want to go for a twofer, Jake could turn out to be an ex-boyfriend of Drew’s.
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS that Robin we all know and love is back
Well, it was the power of Cadbury Eggs that got her into this position, it’s only fitting that they get her out of this mess as well.
With enough eggs between the two of them, they should be able to do the impossible. Perhaps even see the invisible.
ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWER!!!
They’re not called Cadbury Cream Eggs.
They’re called Cadbury Creme Eggs.
Upon exiting their diabetic seisure and regaining consiousness, they’ve changed America into a dictatorship and have been leading the clountry into achieving a true empire.
They already have Canada and are debating whether to go after Japan or Europe next.
Thank you for throwing The Big Bang Theory on that list. I bloody hate that show.
I predict they’ll end up in other webcomics. Not just DoA, but actual completely unrelated webcomics, some of which do not actually exist yet.
Willis’ spinoff tease ftw?
Am i the only one who thinks that Male robin looks really weird in the third panel? like he’s off model or something. this strips art just looks a little off, not quite shure why.
Me and the wife qute enjoy the Big Bang Theory. Funny show. One of the VEY few network shows we watch. I DO understand how it could be annoying to the Nerdcore and sundry others. The geekiness can be rather superficial at times and a number of times I’ve thought “real geeks” wouldn’t do/or say/or not know this or that. But still, usually quite funny IMO anyway.
Sure, real geeks wouldn’t say a lot of the things they would. The main reason for that is that most real geeks have no talent for comedy or writing. Sheldon’s desperation to manufacture a comeback? That is much closer to the reality.
A secondary reason for that is most of the geek humour I’ve encountered has tended to be more bitter and/or raunchy, if not always to the point of desperation. Seriously, the jockeying for position that goes on in geek humour is more tedious than that found in inter-city/team rivalry jokes.
Why do you hate geeks so much? or is it just people in general you disagree with?
Ah, the “Why do you hate America?” trap. Is there nowhere it can’t be used?
Theres plenty of good geeky humour. XKCD being the obvious one.
But theres also old shows like “Look Around You”
The problem with citing published, successful geek humour is that it’s not reflective of the majority of geek humour.
Flash Fact: most Jews aren’t all that funny either.
This is not going to end well.
No kiddin’. Five minutes into the brainstorming session and she’s already decided to just go for the Hail Mary…
Is she about to go back in time?
Dun dun dunnnnnnn
And now I really want a creme egg…
TBBT quality goes up and down like a yo-yo, sometimes they have a funny episode, other times not a single laugh for a few.
But, really, I can’t see any reason to find it offensive.
If you think “They are nerds. I am a nerd. Therefor their depiction of what I am upsets me” then your falling for a false equality.
Its exactly like;
“Cats are quadrupeds. Dogs are quadrupeds. Therefor my cat is a dog”
What does David have against the Big Bang Theory? Personally I love that show.
Chalk it up to personal taste.
XD Shes got her work cut out for her.. cause much of that is just human nature. While the economy and disparity of income is workable (depending on which point of view your working from), racism and homophobia are natural to human nature, it’s only because we gave them special ‘bad’ names is why they’re seen so bad.
It’s like how people treat those they perceive as rednecks, or nerds, or jocks, or old people, young people.. etc.. etc… Yet somehow these particular stereotypes don’t get quite the same attention, because someone deemed they’re not ‘offensive’ enough.
or its because racism and homophobia are far more fanatically led, and thus far more dangerous.
If it was just “oh look, gays are really neat and have fashion sense” style sterotypes that would be compariable. But its often far, far worse then that, and theres still legal inequalitys such as marriage and (as is the recent topic) military rules.
This isn’t just “offending people” this is treating people different.
Likewise for racism.
This brings up something I don’t understand about the issue with the military. Why? Why can’t they just leave it at ‘we don’t ask you, you don’t tell us.’ how is that not fair?
I’ll admit,even though my brother and dad are in the army, I don’t know some things about it. Do men and women share the same sleeping quarters? the same bathing facilities? If it’s all Co-sex, than I say go ahead, it’s no more offensive than that. However, if they seperate men and women, do they now need to seperate gays/lesbians and hetero soldiers? Or would that be offensive too?
Because the way “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” works, is that if someone DOES tell ANYONE AT ALL about being gay, and it somehow gets back to their commanding officers, they’re kicked out of the military. Even if they didn’t tell another soldier, if the truth comes out in any manner, their career is over.
Also, if for someone reason, someone KNOWS that a person is gay when they’re trying to sign up to join the military, they’ll be denied, even if the applicant never says anything.
Also, Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell causes soldiers to be ashamed of who they are, because they can’t be honest anything. Soldiers in the military talk about their loved ones all the time. They have pictures of their wives and kids posted up, and so on. A gay soldier, because of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, can’t post those things, because of the fear that if the wrong person sees it, they’ll be booted out.
Let me know when rednecks aren’t allowed to marry or hold jobs.
one can only hope.
Since rednecks usually marry their cousins they technically aren’t allowed to marry. Or is that hillbillies? I get them confused. Which one doesn’t have teeth?
I think it’s really despicable how so many rednecks have to either live with the fear of being beaten to death or actually being beaten to death, only to have protesters at their funeral chanting about how they’re burning in Hell because God hates Nascar.
There should really be a documentary or something.
Don’t bring Westboro into this, they’re PETA level crazy.
Right, because PETA frequently demonstrates outside funerals. And promoting compassion is, obviously, the exact same as perpetuating hatred and bigotry.
Really batting a thousand there.
Sorry, but “human nature” isn’t synonymous with “ignorance.”
If anything “human nature” is okay, then I declare open season on rape!
We takin bout a rape party?
YEE
Never said it was okay, just said she’s not gonna fix it without somehow either changing what humans are, or pass a law that’s gonna border on something 1984 level. We have so many laws already that protect peoples ‘feelings’ getting hurt, it’s getting out of hand.
Course, Robins above something like that. Hmm.. then again, she was gonna pass a law to make Ethan make out with someone ‘against his will’. n_n Not that it would have held up, but it’s something she tried.
Actually, “human nature” and “ignorance” have come to seem like pretty good synonyms to me. The good thing is that we have the capacity to overcome it. It saddens me that we have a tendency to waste that capacity.
Thing is, we are all ignorant. Its arrogance thats the problem.
Homophobia and racism are *not* “natural” to human behavior at all though. Even making the social classification in the first place is a learned behavior. Whitewashing socially destructive tendencies as just being “an inherent” part of human existence is deeply cynical and wrongheaded.
We know enough about how humans *do* function neurologically at this point to put such claims utterly to rest. There is no predisposition toward hating gays. There is no predisposition toward hating minority groups. The tribal predispositions that we do have depend very heavily on how we decide to define our in and out groups. They can be much more inclusive than they tend to be.
If you were to kill off everyone who had an issue with homosexuality or a particular race or nationality those issues would disappear completely within a generation. And they would not recur without someone making a concerted effort to raise fear and xenophobia.
If we kill off all people with a phobia, there will never be fear again!
No offense, but generally phobias are due to bad experiences. Whether you wish to believe it or not, Racism is a phobia. The exact phobia may be different per racist. some are afraid of black people, some are afraid of racial mixing, ect. ect.
I’m thinkin’ the Bi and Partisan are separate for a reason. Meaning Robin and Jake will work together and being mutually oblivious to things regarding each other, nothing romantic will come of it.
Then Robin comes home to find Drew and Leslie bangin’.
The Partisan being separate from the Bi.
Personally, I dislike Big Bang Theory because it hits too close to home.
My condolences for that.
Really? That’s precisely why I enjoy the series.
(Not trying to start an argument, just adding my own opinion to the pile – and doing so extraordinarily late at that)
Robin/Leslie/Jake OTT! XD
No, but seriously…I smell drama a-brewin’.
Oh, and I have an intense, burning indifference towards TBBT.
Sorry, this is why Google is your friend:
No, I really don’t hate The Big Bang Theory! I have an intense, burning indifference!
Why bother with a tv show? Either enough people watch it that it generates jobs and revenue and stays on the air or noone cares for it ang it gets cancelled. Eventually it reaches a tipping point anyway and gets cancelled.
A few shows have recognized when it was time to get off stage. Some of those didn’t know enough to stay off stage, but it has happened.
Then again, I’m of the rare opinion that the main reason Firefly was such a good show is because it was cancelled early, just as Kublai Khan owes a lot to that interuption at the door.
Not sure really, both Dollhouse and Buffy both got better beyond their first seasons. Angel too. I think Firefly would have too.
Certainly many shows run out of steam, but others fluxulate up/down, and others take awhile to get going before they are truely kick-arse (Fringe,Farscape). I dont think shorter is always better.
I doubt it. It was pretty good as it was, and that was even with Fox screwing Whedon so hard they had to reuse Starship Trooper props and kept him so busy trying to keep the show afloat he forgot to include Chinese people in featured roles.
…He…forgot?
Half a coconut’s mile, even if that’s true, it’s still a pretty sorry excuse.
Then there are some shows that are only intended to run a certain length of time. For instance, Babylon 5 was always supposed to be a 5-season show (although due to fear of cancellation, the storyline was wrapped up in 4 seasons, and the actual 5th was… a bit meh in places.)
The cancellation of Firefly, I have it on good authority, will be the primary evidence used against us by the High Prosecutor, when the Galactic Council is debating whether or not Humanity should be wiped out before it spreads. (Debate is projected to last another 120 years, so at least there is some breathing room, and a chance for redemption. We managed to bring back Futrurama…)
“(although due to fear of cancellation, the storyline was wrapped up in 4 seasons, and the actual 5th was… a bit meh in places.)”
You can say that again
(Allthough it was impressive how well it was wrapped in s4)
Cadbury Creme Eggs? That’s Rayne Summers’ weak point, that and Red Bull, and its been proven he can be bribed with them… is he going to make a guest appearance? (Crosses fingers) If he does, I hope he meats Roz as those two meeting would be full of Lulz and win. True story.
Everybody meats Roz.
Miss Bean may be open to Robin following her heart – or chocolate eggs, as the case may be. Then Robin will be like, “D’oh!” and realize there is no way in hell some guy (no matter his scent of Skittles) is going to be cool enough to take her to the airport to get a body scan for funzies.
Or shit’s gonna go down…
OR! David is laughing at us all because we’re falling prey to his seemingly obvious plot trap. He’s gonna do something to make us wish we were all just QC readers, that’s what’s gonna happen.
How can she focus on BBT when Jay Leno is still around?
Cadbury eggs, eh? It is time.
Leslie is going to fall for him since he’s just like Robin, and start having a relationship/identity crisis about her lesbian-ness and being with Robin.
Then, threesome
What kind of question is that?
A grammatically incorrect one.
I wonder if this will result in another time jump/blackout for Robin and her new friend?
I think they’re counting on it.
Anyone else think this Cadbury blackout will end with the two of them in bed?
Busting out the cream eggs! Can’t wait to see how this turns out.
God made two of em!
I agree. Big Bang Theory does need to be fixed. Last night Sheldon made quite a kerfuffle regarding Penny’s costume, stating, “In what Universe is Wonder Woman blonde?” Well, Wonder Woman was blonde on Earth 3898 (the daughter of Diana Prince and Steve Trevor), and also in the main continuity when Artemis took over the mantle of Wonder Woman for a while.
This is something that Obsessive Fact Boy should have known.
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Dear Lord, what have I become?????
TC
I lol’d.
I’m not sure why people take shots at the BBT. I know it’s not to everyone’s taste, but “Two and a Half Men” has been surviving largely on the same three jokes for seven years now, and it’s still not funny.
“Two and a Half Men” was what I originally had referenced in this strip, but I’d already used them as a punchline. It was time to find a new victim.
“Expletive my dad says”? I hear that’s pretty horrible.
Eh, that’s like kicking a sick dog.
Aww man, you really should’ve just used Two and a Half Men again, that would have been a lot less controversial.
Am I the only one who is (not at all) secretly hoping for some sweet OT3 action coming out of this?
I mean, come on. Robin/Leslie is good. Robin/This Dude is great. Leslie/Robin/Dude could be THE GREATEST THING EVER.
…No? Ok. I’ll, uh, go hide now.
Apparently people on the internet have opinions.
Who knew!
Also, if you’re offended by TBBT, it’s time to get a thicker fucking skin. Grow some balls and learn to take a fucking joke.
NOOOOOOOOOO! he stole my answer!!!!
my answer to almost every questions is, “duh, ______, what the hell kind of question is that?” ‘hey, Ryu, which star wars was better, empire or jedi?” “Duh, Empire, what the hell kind of question is that?”
So. I like this dude. They should be bros. Cuz I love Leslie and Robin mooooarrrrr @,..,@
He’s like a male Robin. I love him.
i love the fact that david willis comments in the comment sections.
unlike some of the webcomics, it makes us(well at least me) feel that we’re heard, instead of a i-draw-shit-you-guys-talk-about-it thingy. and that just feels great.
They are extremely similar.
Please do not let them turn out to be related.