Yanno what? Screw Spider-Man, screw Batman, FLASH has the best Rogues Gallery ever, because they seem to at least BE a gallery! Always teaming up and stuff!
There! I said it! NOW HELP THE SEX ADDICT!
They even named themselves! Granted it’s not original like “The Sinister Six”, but hey, whatever.
I like the fact that they call themselves “The Rogues”, and they steal stuff. Just to make it perfectly clear.
Yeah! And they even invited their hero to a party! =D When does Batman ever get invited to the Joker’s parties, hmm? Never, that’s when!
Plus, the scene between animated Flash and Trickster in the bar (in the JLU episode “Flash and Substance”) was made of win.
Well, he actually gets invited to the Joker’s parties quite often. He’s just usually tied up and being lowered by a giant yo-yo into a vat of acid or something.
actually batman DOES get invited to a lot of Joker’s parties!
I want to see Two-Face or Green Goblin try to fight Girder or Magenta. They would have their asses HANDED to them on a silver platter.
What Ragnal said. Flash Superior!
Is that an picture of a lucky charms box or did Mr. Willis draw that to look extra creepy?
Photo of actual box. I couldn’t draw that creepy. I’ll post the full photo sometime today.
Nw I need to go find that box, cut out the front and frame it. Then put it in my brothers room while he sleeps so he can wake up and have it staring at him.
They’re tragically malicious!
Oh, I like that.
that comment is win
“Tragically Malicious” is hilarious
I think I love you.
That’s almost as bad as Roadblock.
Okay, picture if you will: Roadblock, Lucky and the Burger King
…all in the same image, looking at you.
Aaagh, I scared myself.
Well, I was going to bed, but now…
Spider-Man does have a better rogues gallery though. Stan Lee was wayyyyyyyy more creative than Bob Kane and Bill Finger.
Fuck you man! HOW DARE YOU EVEN SUGGEST THAT SPIDERMAN MIGHT POSSIBLY EVEN THINK ABOUT CONSIDERIN’ BEING BETTER THAT BATMAN YOU PRICK!
Why haven’t we been arguing about who has the best rogue gallery?!
Because we have sex with ladies.
I don’t have sex with ladies.
But do you do it any less?
I am a massive Spidey fan and totally agree with Jacob (I like the Flash too but I can’t support everyone). Come on Ethan, help the poor man out.
But Ethan, this is a chance for you to redeem yourself for your past douchebaggery!
THough he’s right, he probably won’t nail Leslie. Unless, you know, threesome.
No no. Jacob respects Leslie. That’s why that wouldn’t work.
FAZ, that is all…
I think Faz is having a mini breakdown about not having a dad.
Also, there’s a third requirement for the whole talking to Jacob thing which Amber didn’t mention, and which Faz probably doesn’t meet: it has to be someone with the ability to care about someone else’s problems.
Faz would care if Amber told him to, he would also romove his man parts if Amber told him as well. I don’t feel like linking to it but its there I assure you.
I still say Wolverine has the best rogues gallery, since he gets to add some from the X-Men and from the Avengers to his personal list.
Man, teamup villains don’t count, otherwise Lex Luthor would be a Batman baddie. Or Darkseid.
Wolverine has Lady Deathstrike, the Weapon X project, and…umm…Daken? I guess?
Even if he has fought the X-Men as a whole before, Sabretooth definitely qualifies as one of Wolvie’s personal nemeses.
Oh yeah, can’t believe I forgot about him. Probably his most nemesissy nemesis, too.
Even though Wolvie has already cut his frickin’ head off.
Oh, wait, MARVEL. He’ll be back, somehow.
Dude, Wolvie’s been skeletonized. He got better.
Ridiculous healing factors FTWTF.
Wolverine also has Omega Red as a personal baddie, and silver samurai, just saying
You know who has one of the personal worst Rogues Gallerys? Superman. What’s with that?
Lex Luthor, Brainiac, Darkseid, uhh… Livewire maybe.. the Parasite I guess.. and thats all!
oooh, oooh, what’s the name of the robot with a kryptonite heart? And Zod of course.
Metallo, if I remember right. The kryptonite-powered robot guy, that is.
You forgot Toyman! He was always my favorite creepy part of Superman: TAS.
Honestly, Superman’s got nothing to feel bad about when it comes to bad guys.
Lex Luthor, Brainiac, Mxyzptlk, Bizarro, General Zod, Metallo, Parasite, Toyman, Mongul, Lobo (hey, he counts as much as Venom or Bane)…and that’s without even counting Darkseid! (He’s more an all-purpose bad guy anyway)
That’s 10 winners. Batman and Spider-Man both have more than 10, but not THAT much more.
I’d rank Prankster over Toyman, just because he’s perfectly happy being a mostly harmless annoyance, because he makes big bank, manages to square off against Big Blue, and doesn’t get his ass handed to him on a regular basis.
He’s fairly unique in maintaining a Silver Age MO, while fitting perfectly well in modern stories because he’s set himself up in an otherwise empty niche.
I have to admit to a little bit of bias against Prankster. His shtick always seemed too ill-defined, like he was a mix of Toyman and the Joker but without the things that made them stand out.
That said, I really enjoyed Kurt Busiek’s semi-recent attempt to update him as a guy who realizes he can only ever annoy Superman, so he turns that into a business advantage by charging other criminals to distract Supes while they commit their crimes.
Yeah, Busiek really redeemed Prankster as a character. It’s kind of a shame he hasn’t been used much.
Also a shame? That no Superman movie has used Brainiac yet. Brainiac can be an awesome villain.
I wouldn’t count Lobo, though. For one thing, he didn’t even first appear in a Superman comic. He showed up in Omega Men. Toyman either, because the original villainous Toyman is dead (and seems to be staying dead), while the current one is kid who is on the good guys’ side.
He does. Half of Batman’s villains are physically disabled serial killers.
Being physically disabled and still a serial killer is actually more hardcore than having superpowers. Heck, most of Spidey’s foes are relatively sane.
My point is that most of them would have been sent to supermax or the gas chamber by now in the real world. If the real world can handle supervillains better then Batman, then how good his villains really be?
For instance, no matter how goddamn crazy you are, you murder like 20-30 people, you are going to get the gas chamber.
Yeah, just like Charles Manson. o wait
Has he escaped and killed people again? No. In fact, he never actually killed anyone, which is why he hasn’t been executed. The closest is Ted Bundy, but we made sure his dumbass was killed after the second time.
Um, no. He hasn’t been executed because California repealed the death penalty at the time. Then reinstated it sometime after he was sentenced.
Of course Spider-man has a better rogues gallery than Batman. All of Batman’s villains are just redesigns of the Joker with a new gimmick.
-”Okay, now instead of jokes, he does Riddles!”,
-”Oh, how about instead of a purple suit, it’s two colors split down the middle!”
-”I know, how about we keep him in the purple, but now instead of being crazy, he’s MAD!”
-”Okay okay, I got it for sure this time…..lets make this one dressed as a clown…but this time it’s a hot girl!”
Yeah, but does Spidey even have a hot girl nemesis?
Yes, the Black Cat.
Still, Harley is WAY cooler. She’s one of the very best kinds of supervillain: the kind who’s so loopy and/or ditzy most of the time that it leads her foes to forget she can be both brilliant…and deadly.
Harlequin, Firestar and X-23 are the only three characters to make the jump from cartoon to comic canon through sheer popularity, but Harley was first.
It just saddens me that she’ll never get to be in a live-action movie since the Joker’s always killed in any he appears in, robbing her of an origin story.
Actually…Firestar was first.
Correction: Firestar preceded Harley by roughly 10 years. Both in comics and in animation. So Firestar was first.
Renee Montoya first appeared in B:TAS, if I remember correctly.
You don’t QUITE remember correctly, Theno.
Renee was created for the TV series, but the comic book writers thought she was pretty cool and brought her in – and, due to differing lead times, her first appearance was in the comics. She first appeared in the March ’92 issue of Batman, and the TV series didn’t debut until September ’92. I THINK Renee’s first appearance is in the 7th episode. So, the comics managed to scoop her creators by the better part of a year.
There’s some other characters who jumped from animation to comics: Spike from X-Men: Evolution, Live Wire and Mercy from Superman: TAS, and even from Batman Animated, there’s Condiment King, Roxy Rocket. Granted, these guys aren’t as popular as the ones you mentioned.
Also, how many times can you put a guy in an animal costume, call him The [animal] or simply [animal] and not have that be variations on a gimmick?
For the record, I’m just arguing to argue.
Black Cat > Catwoman Just sayin’
Personally, I like Iron Man’s rogues gallery. Half of those guys are either in powered combat armor, or are killer robots.
Does Iron Man even have a rogues gallery? Off the top of my head, I’ve got Iron Monger, Mandarin, Crimson Dynamo, and Titanium Man. That’s 4 dudes. One’s not even in a mech suit.
You forgot Alcohol.
Mandarin, Crimson Dynamo, Titanium Man, Whiplash, Justin Hammer. Iron Monger only really showed up for one story arc and died, IIRC.
Tony’s villains really kinda blow.
The vast majority of them just wear mech suits anyway… but then again I guess that the only way they could manage to battle Iron Man anyway. Otherwise it would be like fighting a tank with a knife.
Yay for over using the word anyway…
Can’t tell I’m not an English Major can you?
If you have to get a sponsor from AA to help you combat Alcohol, does that count as a comic book team up now?
Pfft. Flash’s Rogues gallery wins every day.
Okay, well, maybe they wouldn’t win-win. Depends how far they’re pushed, if it’s Silver Age or Geoff writing ‘em, if we’re gonna let Al and Grodd play too… but they’re definitely the crew I want to have a beer with!
Hell, they’re the crew Flash wants to have a beer with.
The Joker alone wins Batman the better rogues gallery, but when you include Hush it is no contest.
Though I do like Spiderman’s rogues gallery as well.
I look at it like this: which of Batman’s villains would work effectively in the real world, and which of Spider-man’s villains would work in the real world? Like 3/4ths of Batman’s rogue gallery would’ve been executed or sent to a goddamn supermax by now, or a cop would’ve beat them to do death or paid an aryan nation gang member to do it. It would basically end up being just Clayface, Poison Ivy, Killer Croc, and Mr. Freeze. Ra’s Al Ghul wouldn’t even be safe in the real world, as the army would send drone planes to shoot his muslim terrorist ass down.
With Spider-man, everyone except the Kingpin, Tarantula, Kraven, and the Vulture would make out alright.
… the rest of Spider-Man’s villains don’t work in the real world. I haven’t see any maniacs flying around on personal jet-boards, alien symbiote costumes or guys made out of sand, how about you? And a guy dressed up as a rhino or scorpion without the powers to go with it is just silly.
If anything, most of Batman’s foes are more real. Insane, but real.
My point is that if Spider-mans villains actually existed, a good chunk of them would be like Gods. The Rhino is just below the Hulk in terms of power/durability, and fighting a man made out of sand or water? Crazy. They would need to have scientists come up with some way of stopping them, like a friggin alien invasion, or just bomb the hell out of them.
Batman’s villains only exist because Gotham city is some kind of bizarro super-liberal city where the death penalty doesn’t exist and criminal insanity is a credible defense. In the real world, most of his villains would be put to death by the state, killed in prison, killed by a mob of pissed off people, or killed by the police in shoot-outs or in state custody.
OR they could be killed by Golden Age Batman. Whatever works.
Because killing a villain is always enough to stop them. It’s not like they ever come back or anything.
I like Batman’s villains because they are wayyy less predictable than Spider-man’s. His bad guys have goals, most of Batman’s are just insane
I don’t know though, I might just be treating Spider-man unfairly just because I’m still annoyed over the ridiculousness of that Mephisto/Mary Jane storyline
There are 15 US states that don’t have the death penalty, so Gotham not having it isn’t the bizarre aberration you seem to be suggesting. (Leaving aside the fact that the death penalty gets a lot trickier in a world with metahumans–it’s eventually going to wind up creating a serial killer with electrical or poison powers.)
And at least Batman’s villains get put away for a while, as opposed to being appointed to lead major governmental organizations…
Gotham does have the Death Penalty. It’s just that he’s always declared criminally insane, so he gets out of it. Which isn’t how the law works. At any rate, they would execute you after the second time you get put away for murder, due to the fact they let you off the hook the first time.
That’s why I stated that Gotham must be in a state that is liberal to the point of retardedness. Because not executing the Joker would be like 100 Willie Hortons. Not to mention the 10 other serial killer villains who have no real powers aside from being serial killers. In fact, it would be like the Willie Horton ad except completely valid, because there are 10 serial killers running around town murdering people, and none of them have been executed despite being caught multiple times. Real serial killers don’t get caught, because if they do they are either sent to jail forever or killed. If they do get to live and kill again, then they are executed immediately afterward.
Point is, there is a big difference between career criminals/robbers and serial killers. If most of your rogues gallery are deformed serial killers, you aren’t doing your job right.
Gotta agree with stClair, the Goblins (all of them) would be shot down from their little gliders for flying like crazy people all over NY, Rhino, Scorpion, Shocker, et al are in the big house. The Lizard is probably in a psych ward, only spidey villain I could see in the real world is Kingpin cause you know kingpin’s already exist.
Though to be fair almost all of Bat’s villains would be locked up to. I’d assume Spidey would have Kingpin and Black Cat, while Bat’s would have Catwoman and various crazies who are locked up or killed, oh and Penguin! Cause Penguin is awesome.
(Jot my down as a Flash Rogue supporter. The Rogue’s are by far the best rogues.)
>Ra’s Al Ghul wouldn’t even be safe in the real world, as the army would send drone planes to shoot his muslim terrorist ass down.
That’s didn’t go so well with the last charismatic terrorist leader.
Point is he would be stuck in some cave, or holed up in some Arab country. High-ranking muslim terrorist leader means that he will be shot on sight, no questions asked. He’s screwed.
“…when you include Hush it is no contest.”
True. Once you’ve added Hush, Spider-Man obviously has the best Rogue’s gallery. Hush’s suckiness manages to lower the average of Batman’s gallery by a long. long way.
Seriously? I would have figured that Hush would almost cancel the Joker out.
He is the negative awesome. He saps awesomeness from all around him.
Nah, Paul Dini fixed him right up.
Hush? I see you trollin’.
why does everyone always hate on Hush? I’ve always liked him going back to the Jeph Loeb stories, though Return of Hush is kinda crap, but that’s only because it is abbreviated by Infinite Crisis and never gets a proper resolution. also, the “House of Hush” story in Streets of Gotham was excellent, but what do you expect from Paul Dini? Dude can write the hell out of anything, arguably he’s best with female characters, but I figure that’s an extension of his propensity to write multi-faceted well rounded characters in everything he writes, no matter what gender they may be, and that is not always a wide spread skill among comic writers.
Yes, she should be asking Leslie. Leslie is the only character in the ensemble who is, at least, marginally, mentally stable.
Have we been reading the same comic? Leslie’s the woman who spent years chasing a woman who was herself obsessed with someone else and tried to get daily snogs written into the law.
As far as I can tell Leslie only seems normal in comparison to the others.
She’s not even that normal in relation to the others.
Relative to Robin, Faz, Ninja Rick, or Galasso, sure, she’s the very model of mental health. But compared to the others, she’s running neck and neck, at best.
She also baked herself into a giant candy bar. Just to get Robins attention, that not normal. At all…
actually i seen clochs made from candy before whats really abnormal is the fact robin ate every last crumb of the outfit without leslie feeling anything.
I enjoy a good old fashion DC vs. Marvel ship-to-ship combat.
I prefer SpiderMan as a character because he’s more human. But as far as rogues gallery goes I think Batman has a slight edge. Obviously the Joker/Harley are great villians but I like the Penguin being upperclass evil, and the Riddler being mentally forced to create puzzles for Batman to solve.
Batman is meh. His rogue gallery is awesome. Vice versa for SpiderMan. Unless he’s working with the X-Men.
I actually prefer the recent reformed Riddler. Trying to beat Batman at the detective game, still a showman prone to grandstanding, honestly trying to be the good guy even though nobody (especially Batman) entirely trusts him and frequently frustrated by Batman beating him to the punch. He’s got all sorts of great conflict built-in.
The old “What’s black and white and red all over, boy wonder?” Joker Lite version was occasionally amusing, but pretty disposable. And the less said about the violent effeminate version the better.
Best rogues gallery? Wonder Woman- at least for reverse WW… “Grab her til she couldn’t walk”
And is lucky, from the framing, having a zombie vibe- charms, brains- hard to tell what he’s about to dig into
Wonder Woman? Really?
Cheetah, Dr. Psycho, Circe, Ares. After that you’re getting into Angle Man/Dr. Poison territory. The best I can say about WW’s villains is that some of them have potential, but most haven’t lived up to it.
(I do like the “suave gentleman thief” version of Angle Man, but he only really interacted with Donna Troy. Sort of a Catwoman equivalent for Donna, providing romantic tension while alternately helping and hindering. But they never really followed up on that one appearance.)
If we go back far enough each comics villain was mostly just an author expy to tie her up with her own lasso. That gets my vote!
Polyamorous kinkster author FTW!
By the end of this storyline, Ethan will have had sex with Jacob.
Just calling it now.
What, Ethan is still hung up on that? I even forgot it happened. He really needs to stop being so judgmental towards himself. Locking up your boss isn’t that big a deal.
Still, there’s that disagreement about rogues galleries. That sort of thing goes deep. Guess Leslie would be better after all.
Man, now I want to see Spider-Man versus The Riddler.
The Ridder is completely fantastic, by the way. I base this solely on his two episodes in Batman the Animated Series, because I have never read a comic book in my entire life, and probably never will.
DCAU Riddler is superior to all others anyway, so you’re not missing anything.
Any superhero ever in print has better villains than a nightmarishly racist caricature of a Commie Chinee in giant egg form. Fin Fang Foom shits himself giggling at Wonder Woman, y’all.
Lucky was always sort of disturbingly manic, but this new box art of him with a mouth full of somebody’s severed colon really is a bit over the top for children’s breakfast cereal. Next they’ll replace Toucan Sam with Count Nosferuitloops. He’ll creep into kids’ rooms before sunup and bite them in the neck… with fruit flavor!
The best rogues gallery is of course the Society of Ultimate Villainy.
Ethan, that would just be counterproductive to the problem.
Silly Ethan, you did not lose your “Moral Advisor” badge when you locked Galasso in the basement. You lost it when you f*cked his daughter for a promotion.
I second that. i wonder if Glassco will send Countess over to Jacobs place for her to recieve his seed of life and to become an assistant manager.
Amber can always state that Stan Lee got along with Bob Kane etc.
Besides that Ethan’s right. Batman’s Rogue Gallery is better. 50 % more filled with Pscathoic crazed killers and villians that actually follow through with their plans than talk about it. Joker Ra’s Al Ghul. Black Mask, Dr Hurt, Scarecrow, Xxzrayl have done more damage to Batman than all the Spiderman villians put toghter including Carange. The Sinaster 6 or sinaster 12 has nothing compare to a avarage Batman Villian.
Iron Man has a good roster of villains.
The Ghost and Spymaster are my two favorites. Of course Mandarin used to be his top enemy and probably will be again soon.
It isn’t as good as Spiderman’s but it is at least a little more memorable than the Hulk’s. (Btw for debates like this one should always take a quick trip to wiki-land instead of relying on memory.)
I’d say, if you’re trying to list the most memorable villains, memory is your best yardstick.
lol I thought he forgot all about that Rogues Gallery thing.
If you think about it. Iron Man villian list can include every hero that has a grudge for him now including Spiderman, Hulk Woverine and The Punisher. Sure hate to be Tony Stark expecially with an Angry Woverine and Spiderman on your trail.
Another good villian list would be The Punishers, Daredevil (If written by Frank Miller, that writter can do amanzing things with any comic book charater and he has an impressive resume) Marvel Snake Eyes from GI JOE ((That ninja/commando/solider or whatever you would call him would fight whomever and whatever to save or finsh off whomever he have to including Hawk and Duke. Theres a reason why he wanted The Cobra Commander dead after all. ))
I am totes with Ethan here; Batman villians are the best villians.
Joker, Zsasz, Two-Face, Riddler, Ra’s al Ghul, Catwoman, Poison Ivy, Harley Quinn, Hush, Clayface.
The Rhino, Doc Ock, Green Goblin, Hobgoblin, Scorpion, Venom, Carnage.
I don’t know, I’m torn. Can I say Batman II has the best Rogues Gallery?
Don’t forget Johnny Witts!
If you’re gonna include Hush and Zsasz on Batman’s side, you should at least include Electro, Mysterio, and Shocker for Spidey.
Hush and Zsasz are more memorable. You have a point with Electro, but Mysterio and Shocker are pretty forgettable.
Hush and Zsasz, memorable? Really? Zsasz is a pretty generic serial killer, IMO. And Hush is more craptastic than even Black Mask (the Bruce Wayne Lookalike thing Dini gave him is an improvement…but he’s still a boring character). Which of course was my point in suggesting Mysterio, Electro, and Shocker, who are similarly lame. I could’ve added The Vulture too.
On a more serious note, Kraven the Hunter. Kraven’s Last Hunt, baby!
Mad Hatter, Mr. Freeze, Bane, Penguin, Black Mask, and Killer Croc don’t make your list of Bat-rogues? not even Man-bat? Scarecrow and Hugo Strange? Deadshot and Catman? (though in the case of Catman, he wasn’t badass until Simone got a hold of him) if you go into the silly you can add Kite man and Calender man as well as Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum. If you count the Silver Age you can throw in Blockbuster as well. all that was off the top of my head too.
I’m with Jacob on this. Spider-man and marvel has the best villians.
Read Arkham Asylum:A Serious House on Serious Earth and say the same thing, I guarantee it’ll change your thinking, warning, it is a Grant Morrison story, so it may get a little trippy.
I love how Ethan only remembers who Jacob is in the last panel.
Green Lantern obviously has the best rogues gallery, by the way. Former mentor, robot army, psychic-giant-head-man, brain-eating shark man, possessed girlfriend, hilariously greedy Gonzo-looking guy, napalm-blood-spewing ragecat… Batman’s villains are just a bunch of dudes in silly outfits! How many of them are SPACE-CATS?
I do love me some Rage Kitty (Dex Star if you want real names, but who cares about real names when you have a pissed off cat throwing up napalm blood?)
Lucky- You’ll never get me Lucky Charms!
Lucky- HOLY SH**!!!
Me- Stop moving you irritating little twerp. YOUR CEREAL IS ALWAYS STAAAAALE!!!! RAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!
-OOM clik clak OOM clik clak OOM clik clak-
Ya know, when talking about how to help a nymphomaniac, “screw that guy” has a disturbing double-entendrey vibe
Damn you, Willis. You’ve ruined Lucky Charms for me forever. Now Im gonna picture Lucky as a psycho who wants to eat my heart. And I aint talking about marshmellows.
I’m of the opinion that while Spider-Man’s rogues gallery is pretty cool, it’s not as good as Batman’s. However, Flash’s rogues gallery is awesome. And the Doom Patrol has the greatest rogues of them all. Check them out here:
http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/tv_shows/batmanbb/index.html?hpt=Gnav_MoreShows_batmanbb and hurry before the Doom Patrol episode is replaced!
I think we can all agree that Darkwing Duck has the best rogues gallery.
…either him or The Tick
I just assumed that was a given.
Dammit Disney, I require a Darkwing Duck / Spiderman crossover NOW!
im just wondering why everyone is soo hung up by wich rouges gallery is better i meen all of them have at the least 1 great villian that everyone can agree on so why not just say all of them are great and put an end to this illy argument once and for all. please…
Can we get some punctuation over here?
because we are fanboys and that’s what we do.
Personaly, I prefer Freakazoid’s rogue gallery!
I’d have to pick spider-man, but only the ultimate variation. Villains that are all connected and can take on the ultimates? Count me in.
If we’re gonna count all variations of a character as the same character however, spider-man has some seriously mediocre villains dragging him down. Batman comes out on top in that case.
I and my brother had this debate a few times, about Spidey and Bats rogues gallery, we’ve both agreed that both have great and ridiculous villains in their gallery, Bats has the edge in it through crossovers though.
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