Comments on: Stickers for the stickler. http://www.shortpacked.com/2010/blog/stickers-for-the-stickler/ Toys are serious business. Sat, 25 May 2013 05:37:09 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: Derik http://www.shortpacked.com/2010/blog/stickers-for-the-stickler/#comment-22639 Derik Wed, 05 Jan 2011 23:01:28 +0000 http://www.shortpacked.com/?p=4404#comment-22639 A find kettle of fish this thread has degenerated into. Reprolabels and are customization kits are <i>accessories</i> for Hasbro-issued toys-- they are useless without them and their sale effectively insures purchase, and thus $$ headed Hasbro's way. Full-blown fan-produced toys, by contrast <b>replace</b> Hasbro-issued toys. The distinction-- moral AND legal-- is not a subtle one. As for Mr. Copper... I question his blackening of Willis's argument while his own is in such dire need of polishing. A find kettle of fish this thread has degenerated into.
Reprolabels and are customization kits are accessories for Hasbro-issued toys– they are useless without them and their sale effectively insures purchase, and thus $$ headed Hasbro’s way. Full-blown fan-produced toys, by contrast replace Hasbro-issued toys. The distinction– moral AND legal– is not a subtle one.

As for Mr. Copper… I question his blackening of Willis’s argument while his own is in such dire need of polishing.

]]> By: Z http://www.shortpacked.com/2010/blog/stickers-for-the-stickler/#comment-22388 Z Sun, 02 Jan 2011 13:40:03 +0000 http://www.shortpacked.com/?p=4404#comment-22388 Case study Douchebaggy vs non-douche baggy interaction. Non-douche bag: "Hey, I saw you don't really approve of 3rd party figures but you're ok with these. What differentiates the two for you?" And then listening to and respecting the answer. Douche baggy: "Hey you disapprove of those figures but like these stickers? In my personal opinion those are exactly the same and you are a greedy hypocrite because one of them is paying you money, and thats why you like them you greedy hypocrite! Narf!" And then acting like the subject of the ridiculous screed is obligated to respond and justify themselves to you. Case study Douchebaggy vs non-douche baggy interaction.

Non-douche bag: “Hey, I saw you don’t really approve of 3rd party figures but you’re ok with these. What differentiates the two for you?” And then listening to and respecting the answer.

Douche baggy: “Hey you disapprove of those figures but like these stickers? In my personal opinion those are exactly the same and you are a greedy hypocrite because one of them is paying you money, and thats why you like them you greedy hypocrite! Narf!” And then acting like the subject of the ridiculous screed is obligated to respond and justify themselves to you.

]]> By: wednesday http://www.shortpacked.com/2010/blog/stickers-for-the-stickler/#comment-22297 wednesday Sat, 01 Jan 2011 06:19:26 +0000 http://www.shortpacked.com/?p=4404#comment-22297 No, that's not the deep end. The deep end will be when I give up and rehair Fluttershy after (almost) inevitably botching the haircut. Which I may have to do anyway, because her tail hole's going to need a slight expansion to get a heavy enough tail in there for physics to work, and I want everything to match. No, that’s not the deep end. The deep end will be when I give up and rehair Fluttershy after (almost) inevitably botching the haircut. Which I may have to do anyway, because her tail hole’s going to need a slight expansion to get a heavy enough tail in there for physics to work, and I want everything to match.

]]> By: BlueNight http://www.shortpacked.com/2010/blog/stickers-for-the-stickler/#comment-22217 BlueNight Fri, 31 Dec 2010 18:52:25 +0000 http://www.shortpacked.com/?p=4404#comment-22217 No, this isn't off the deep end of the toy fandom. The deep end is styling My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic hair to be show-accurate. Which I don't have the <strike>guts</strike> money to do at the moment. No, this isn’t off the deep end of the toy fandom. The deep end is styling My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic hair to be show-accurate.

Which I don’t have the guts money to do at the moment.

]]> By: David Willis http://www.shortpacked.com/2010/blog/stickers-for-the-stickler/#comment-22100 David Willis Fri, 31 Dec 2010 02:57:05 +0000 http://www.shortpacked.com/?p=4404#comment-22100 I kinda wanted it to say DONGS. I kinda wanted it to say DONGS.

]]> By: Strephon http://www.shortpacked.com/2010/blog/stickers-for-the-stickler/#comment-22098 Strephon Fri, 31 Dec 2010 02:23:38 +0000 http://www.shortpacked.com/?p=4404#comment-22098 I bought my Soundwave when the rubsigns were new, and I didn't know what it was; I assumed it was some sort of placeholder for the real Decepticon logo, so I pulled it off before noticing that the sticker sheet didn't have one. (That doesn't necessarily answer why someone would <i>knowingly</i> remove it, of course.) I bought my Soundwave when the rubsigns were new, and I didn’t know what it was; I assumed it was some sort of placeholder for the real Decepticon logo, so I pulled it off before noticing that the sticker sheet didn’t have one. (That doesn’t necessarily answer why someone would knowingly remove it, of course.)

]]> By: turkishproverb http://www.shortpacked.com/2010/blog/stickers-for-the-stickler/#comment-22094 turkishproverb Thu, 30 Dec 2010 23:28:31 +0000 http://www.shortpacked.com/?p=4404#comment-22094 Hmmm...you know, it's funny, but I can't find record of Hasbro saying either of those things. A little hearsay but no actual words... Actually, I take that back. The statement I can find easily was on Febuary 7th, 2008 attacking reproduction of their GIJoe art. Which makes a great deal of sense. Legally, their art would definitely constitute logos and such, being duplicates. However most likely the legal comparison would fall apart somewhat in regard to works "inspired by" theirs. So, factually FP and such are probably less illegal (Or less warned against) than Reprolabels. By and in large though, they avoid making comments about these things so they don't have to worry about killing products they don't see as a threat yet (plausible deniability etc). Fun, innit? Personally, I've noticed for a while that Willis seems to have a bit of an annoying axe to grind when it comes to third party companies, but by and in large I've been able to ignore it. It isn't as loud from him as some people, even if the fact he's got a good webcomic means I find it harder to resist reading it. Still, I'm a little curious how far this can go. If I create a universe with sentient transforming robots, how far out of my way should I go to ensure the asthentic looks nothing like transformers (and for that matter WHICH version) before certain people (many worse than willis) will stop accusing me of being an evil evil copyright infringing hamster? Heck, he bought the "unofficial" teletraan 1 base/backdrop, which was less original work than many of these other "unofficial" products I've seen. At least a fair chunk of Fansproject is heavily re-imagined. Eh, not a big deal to me either way. Not like I'm going to be buying most of their stuff. Hmmm…you know, it’s funny, but I can’t find record of Hasbro saying either of those things. A little hearsay but no actual words…

Actually, I take that back. The statement I can find easily was on Febuary 7th, 2008 attacking reproduction of their GIJoe art. Which makes a great deal of sense. Legally, their art would definitely constitute logos and such, being duplicates. However most likely the legal comparison would fall apart somewhat in regard to works “inspired by” theirs.

So, factually FP and such are probably less illegal (Or less warned against) than Reprolabels.

By and in large though, they avoid making comments about these things so they don’t have to worry about killing products they don’t see as a threat yet (plausible deniability etc).

Fun, innit?

Personally, I’ve noticed for a while that Willis seems to have a bit of an annoying axe to grind when it comes to third party companies, but by and in large I’ve been able to ignore it. It isn’t as loud from him as some people, even if the fact he’s got a good webcomic means I find it harder to resist reading it.

Still, I’m a little curious how far this can go. If I create a universe with sentient transforming robots, how far out of my way should I go to ensure the asthentic looks nothing like transformers (and for that matter WHICH version) before certain people (many worse than willis) will stop accusing me of being an evil evil copyright infringing hamster?

Heck, he bought the “unofficial” teletraan 1 base/backdrop, which was less original work than many of these other “unofficial” products I’ve seen. At least a fair chunk of Fansproject is heavily re-imagined.

Eh, not a big deal to me either way. Not like I’m going to be buying most of their stuff.

]]> By: begbert2 http://www.shortpacked.com/2010/blog/stickers-for-the-stickler/#comment-22089 begbert2 Thu, 30 Dec 2010 17:33:12 +0000 http://www.shortpacked.com/?p=4404#comment-22089 If the copyright/trademark holder actually does "suggest" that it is fine to copy or mimic their products, then it ISN'T intellectual property theft. Explicitly. This established fact is pretty much the basis for the existence of the GNU public license. When they're silent on the matter, it is of course dodgier - but a rights-holder does in fact have the right to allow other people to duplicate their copyrighted material at their discretion. That's actually pretty much the definition of owning a copyright, actually. If the copyright/trademark holder actually does “suggest” that it is fine to copy or mimic their products, then it ISN’T intellectual property theft. Explicitly. This established fact is pretty much the basis for the existence of the GNU public license.

When they’re silent on the matter, it is of course dodgier – but a rights-holder does in fact have the right to allow other people to duplicate their copyrighted material at their discretion. That’s actually pretty much the definition of owning a copyright, actually.

]]> By: gwalla http://www.shortpacked.com/2010/blog/stickers-for-the-stickler/#comment-22088 gwalla Thu, 30 Dec 2010 16:58:25 +0000 http://www.shortpacked.com/?p=4404#comment-22088 You have to buy the official toy in the first place for the stickers to be of any use, so I'm really not seeing where your moral outrage is coming from. Also, your insult about "allowing a large corporation to interpret the law for you", in the midst of your argument white-knighting for <em>that very corporation</em> is pretty hilarious. You have to buy the official toy in the first place for the stickers to be of any use, so I’m really not seeing where your moral outrage is coming from.

Also, your insult about “allowing a large corporation to interpret the law for you”, in the midst of your argument white-knighting for that very corporation is pretty hilarious.

]]> By: Rosicrucian http://www.shortpacked.com/2010/blog/stickers-for-the-stickler/#comment-22087 Rosicrucian Thu, 30 Dec 2010 16:57:46 +0000 http://www.shortpacked.com/?p=4404#comment-22087 Yeah, replacing the rubsign with a normal sticker is not really an option that makes sense for me. Why would you [i]remove[/i] a functional gimmick? Yeah, replacing the rubsign with a normal sticker is not really an option that makes sense for me. Why would you [i]remove[/i] a functional gimmick?

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