heh heh the “tree” jeremiah was talking about was fashioned into an idol, a physical form to depict ashera; which the the hebrews then worshiped instead of G-D.
my definition of ‘pagan’ :: a believer of a religion that is not my religion
some other definitions for ‘pagan’
The Hebrews? You mean the Jews? The Jews, who have an entire section of the Bible after the commandments are brought down from Sinai on why worship idols is bad?
Huh. Odd, that.
no not the Jews it was originally the Hebrews and a bit after they got back from their stay in Egypt they started fighting dividing into Israel and Judah until they were both weak enough to be conquered the Israelites were wiped out but some of the people of Judah survived and escaped into Babylon and those people came to be the Jews
well not exactly- they werent ‘wiped out’ – they were moved from palestine to another area of the babylon empire. They were uprooted because they had proven troublesome, which apparently was the way that both babylon and assyria dealt with uprisings.
You realize the Romans orchestrated that divide to ensure the Israelites weren’t strong enough to pose a threat to them, right?
That was long before Rom was more than an unimportant little speck some thousand kilometres further west that nobody except its direct neighbours ever cared about.
So: No, definitely not. Off by several centuries.
Ashera? when did we start getting into Fire Emblem mythology specifically from Path to Radiance and Radiant Dawn
Or Mortal Kombat?
Well, yeah. It was designed by the church for the secular. It was supposed to be a way of bridging our similarities across our differences. Ironic.
It was actually more along the lines of the church supplanting pagan holidays as their own to undermine the pagan religion. The church (in this case, the catholic church) has rarely done anything in the spirit of bridging anything.
Oh, so you watched Black X-Mas too?
It’s the Saturnalia, the beggining of the winter, tottaly pagan! Like the Easter was actually the festival of Eostera, the fertility godness.
Saturnalia, and Yule, and a bunch of other things. There are two or three possible reasons, but in the end almost all nature/archetype worshiping religions end up with the same holidays at the same time of year (at least when they live in similar climate areas) You could say there was one base religion for most of them, that they worshiped the same gods (aknowledging the prior situation and adding in that there were/are actual gods to worship) or that humans are just similar enough that they’ll need to blow off steam about the same times in the year. Life was pretty fucking harsh in the old days.
The church equals religious plagiarism. Am i right?
All religions are LIES, I walked into a church the other day during a surmon, disproved a few things, then converted 7 of them to Aetheism!
I highly doubt that, and even if you did I’d view you as a worse person than most people who go to church and just as bad as a christian going to an athiest group to tell them they are wrong. What gives you the right to remove a foundation of someones life, whether or not their religion is correct. If you complain that a christian is trying to force their religion onto you, you are foring your anti-religion onto them. In the end you both lose.
atheists aren’t neccessarily anti-religion they just don’t believe in God
What he “did” was still wrong.
What he’s “doing” is “trolling” “you guys.”
Seriously. Who the fuck believes that ANY number of christians ANYWHERE were converted by what someone walking in off the street said to them, IN CHURCH?
Moop8000 got 3 people to at least consider his actions plausible, and wins at trolling. *tips cap*
the church did bridge one thing. it took medeval knights painted there armour then sent them on a rampage through europe to convert other to there religion by force.
knights of templar.
The templar were independent of the Roman church. That’s why the Pope had them exterminated – they were a challenge to the political power of the Papacy.
Not that the Roman church was entirely blameless in the crusades, though.
Well, this isn’t specifically talking about a christmas tree, it’s talking about maypoles, hence the “work of the axe” part.
Christmas trees are also pagan, but they’re not described in that chapter.
“In what you believe?”
If the answer is not as yours, your opponent is pagan. Convert him/her. If he doesn’t want kill him/her.
“How you believe?”
If the answer is not as yours, your opponent is a heretic. Kill him/her.
… If the answer is as yours, they’re obviously a religious zealot trying to show you up or an infidel in disguise. Kill him/her.
Did you have to poke fun at Peanuts?
THAT’s where you draw the line?
How the hell is he poking fun at peanuts? This is more like a tribute, unless I’m very mistaken.
Linus is right though about Christmas being a pagan holiday so is Halloween and other holidays as at the time Christian influence was spreading the Celtic pagans were at first opposed to Christianity but some of the religious leaders at the time decided instead of forcing them to accept it they would merge it by making holidays based on the pagan holidays that way the pagans would be more open to the idea and stray away from their religion.
And over time those holidays just evolved into what most Americans see today. The more you know the more you’ll grow. ^_^
And knowing is HALF the battle!
If you keep reading, it’s made clear that the tree in question is an idol; most churches will say that provided you don’t worship it, you’re not taking up their ways in the way forbidden here, any more than you are by finding North from the stars. The thing about the Christmas tree in particular, though, is that it’s not only a modern tradition, not as often claimed directly handed down from pre-Christian times, but a reaction to perceived idolatry: iconoclastic Protestants disliked the Catholic tradition of using images of Jesus and Mary to celebrate Christmas, and so came up with their own symbol, a simple symbol of winter.
The date of the holiday may come from Roman sun-worshippers (not the cults of Mithras, Horus, or Dionysus as often claimed – no real evidence for that date there, although there are other parallels), although that’s not as certain as many counterapologists claim. The official line is that although the birthdate of Jesus is unknown, from calculations pertaining to Passover, the Annunciation – Gabriel’s visit to Mary – was held in antiquity to be on March 25, so December 25 was the logical date for the Nativity. Certainly there are sources mentioning March 25 in connection with the Annunciation dating back to the third century, although sporadic sources mentioning December 25 in connection with Sol can be found as early as the second.
Certainly winter festivals are nigh-universal in Europe (although not so much in Western Asia), for the obvious reason.
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