Be interesting to see where Ethan takes the sarcasm rant on this one. Personally, I’ve gotten sick of the “let’s shove Christmas and the religion behind it down everyone’s throat” backlash against people actually wanting some nonoffensive diversity. I mean, I don’t even want to hear about ANY sort of winter holiday. Period. So I catch crap from everyone. Unfortunately, I come up with the perfect response, two hours later. Oh well.
And I hear she also indulges in ritualistic cannibalism!
Heh. Yeah, he went there.
CHRISTMAS HAS BEEN BANNED !!
in both England & America but at different times, the celebration of christmas was a criminal act.
the cromwell link is only about England, the rest are mostly about America but some cover both countries.
I’m thinking Ethan’s going with the free publicity angle.
It doesn’t take more than an iota of study. Christmas was made specifically for secular folks. Yes, it was created by the church for secular folks but the church, at that time, wouldn’t celibrate it. Indeed, it is the death day of great men that Christians traditionally honored. Easter is Jesus’ holiday, not Christmas.
And if the loudmouth Christians read their bibles, they’d see specific warnings against celibrating Jesus’ birth. “He should be remembered as a mighty king, not a helpless babe.”
I might be wrong, but isn’t Easter the day he was reborn, and not the day he died as you state?
Also, curiously enough, Easter got its name from Ēostre, and I can’t see that name in the Bible (especially not at the ‘other names of Jesus’ section), can I?
No offense meant of course.
Religions are fun.
Well, if you are going to get technical, according to the scripture he was reborn. He still died first though, rather messily, on the cross three days before. They actually go on for more than a page on his funeral.
Actually, December 25th was a pagan winter solstice day, until the catholic curch co-opted it to draw more of the pagans into Christianity. This is why you see no mention of celebrating Christmas in the bible, or any Christian dogmas anywhere. The holiday was celebrated in various different ways by various pagan peoples. So, really, Christmas is and has always been a pagan holiday.
Yup. And the Christians tacked on the Christian iconography, but did little to change the Winter Solstice to appease the pagan masses because they know they would win no support by banning such popular holidays. Likewise, Easter was the Vernal (Spring) Equinox–like the Winter Solstice, a five day celebration–before Christian iconography was tacked on to win over the majority of the outlying settlements. It was actually a rather ingenious marketing scheme.
Actually, that particular time was chosen due to a Jewish tradition that states that great prophets die on the day they’re conceived. It’s clear that Jesus died during the Passover, so they guesstimated mid-winter for his birth.
Christmas may have latched onto a pagan holiday as well, but that’s not the only reason for its timing. And I’d guess that the iconography probably melded over a period of time and amongst the populace rather than at the church’s mandate (though that do be just a guess; if I’m flat-out wrong please correct me).
Weren’t the shepards with their flocks at the time because the sheep with birthing, placing it around Spring?
Isn’t the Winter Solstice BEFORE Christmas? As in, December 21st? I’m not sure they’re related, just at similar times. *is Pagan*
There is a slight error in the Julian Calender, so the solstice slipped back a few days over the centuries until pope Gregory brought in the Gregorian Calender to correct the error. The error is so small it is only really noticeable over centuries. Something like a change of 3 days every 400 years.
So actually, Christmas and the Winter Solstice were once exactly the same date.
My family is Jewish and my dad has read more of the Christian bible than most Christians I know. In fact, once he was telling me about this chain clothes store (forget which) that always put signs up on Sundays saying, “Closed for WORSHIP” just like that, but in bold, and it bothered him because they were so high and mighty about it. I can’t remember the exact passage he quoted, but it was something about prayer being for church or home and not to be flaunted in public. It just makes me smile when others know more about someone else’s religion than they do.
When I’ve run into similar discussions, the passage in question has usually turned out to be this one:
“Here’s what I want you to do: Find a quiet, secluded place so you won’t be tempted to role-play before God. Just be there as simply and honestly as you can manage. The focus will shift from you to God, and you will begin to sense his grace.” [found via http://www.biblegateway.com/ (many different translations available)]
(and there are a *zillion* different translations and arrangements of the Christian bible; if the above wording of this passage doesn’t suit, others are easily found)
Of course, a common issue with quoting scripture is that it’s easy to pick only passages supporting a particular viewpoint. Unless you (and by “you” I mean the generic you; I ain’t lookin’ to brawl, here) enjoy debating people who also pick and choose their scriptural support (but who disagree with you 100%), don’t rely on bumper-sticker theology to advance a religious argument.
Take a cue from Rachel’s dad, instead.
Wait wait wait.
This is a real site.
What the hell?
Not anymore, it’s now an FTP gateway into an empty server. Must have been a joke site.
Personally, I believe the Dec 25th holiday that’s been heavily usurped by commercial interests is a Christian holiday called Christmas. I really don’t give a crap if he was born under the Spring equinox on Mars while people danced naked around a rock covered in blueberry juice.
I also think that everyone needs to just GROW THE HELL UP and stop worrying about what other people are doing. If Walmart wants to change all their signs to say Happy Hanukkah, that’s fine by me (although I would wonder what they were smoking).
Ex-Christian who basically got tired of being around two-year-olds who only SAY they’re Christian.
Your comment makes my frontal lobe ache.
Christmas/Santa = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgayORZ0CTY
Panel 5. Yes.
Hey. Hey lady. Die.
“Christmas isn’t Christmas without Christ” is asaying I used to hear often.
Sounds good, but FALSE! Chrismas is based on the holiday for the Winter Solstice and the birthday of, get this, the Greek-pagan sun god Helios!
Chrismas is held on the day that it is because the newly formed religion of Christianity wanted to make the conversion form paganism to Christianity as easy as possible.
By all estimates, Jesus was actually born sometime in March
How many people actually checked to see if this site was real? It must have been at one point, but now it’s just an FTP gateway into an empty server. Not sure if joke site, or taken down.
It was a real site, and it wasn’t a joke.
I just love the wording in the last panel, it’s oozing with so much sarcasm
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