I would laugh at this more if it wasn’t so f***ing accurate. “God helps those who help themselves?” Ever hear of that one, Mr. Lewis? 9_9
That’s from one of Aesop’s Fables. The Bible says that you should always wait and do nothing until the Almighty decides whether or not to help you.
It does NOT say to just wait around and do nothing, you are still to continue life, but wait for His plan at the right time and go the direction where He leads you.
lol @ religious debates on a webcomic
If Willis plays his cards right, he’ll have every nerd fandom and make people comment on it like a diatribe.
I like the Buddhist take on things. Sit down, shut up, and try not to break anything. It’s simple and everyone benefits.
Although I see it more as “try to be happy without making everybody else unhappy” rather than “don’t rock the boat.” Sometimes you gotta rock the boat.
For the record, the scene in question never happened in the books. Lewis is not responsible for that scene or that twisted moral, and frankly i hated that it was added, it made EVERYONE involved seem stupid. The book was much better about the idea of god “helping those who help themselves”. The only time the characters were actually “punished” for trying to do things themselves was when it directly went AGAINST what they were told to do by Aslan or at LEAST directly against a pretty standard set of morals(not universal, but not strictly christian either).
Aslan tries to lead the group to a hidden path through a gorge, they don’t believe he was actually there, so they go a different way and almost wander right into the enemy camp. End result: Barely avoid getting shot to death by arrows.
Peter makes a plan to fight Miraz one on one, in the hopes that his own actions will help with whatever Aslan has planned. End result: defeat of the Telmarines, mostly because of Aslan, but if Peter had “sat around and done nothing” waiting, then the result would have been worse, not better.
Actually in the book Aslan is already there,just Lucy is the only one he shows himself to. She is later rebuked for not having enough faith and determination to follow him without her siblings.
This is one of my favorites, possibly of all time.
Tolkien is still THE name in fantasy. Rowling’s a sizable couple pages, maybe a chapter at this rate, but Lewis is a foot note. and he won’t last for long.
C.S. Lewis’s “The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe” came out in 1950 and is still read today and held up as a classic. That’s sixty years of enduring popularity. JK Rowling hasn’t even LIVED that long.
We’ll see how your theory holds up in 2057. I, personally, think there’s room in the fantasy literature canon for both. So long as it doesn’t mean nudging out Terry Pratchett or AM Jenkins.
Oh, and Rowling gets a couple of chapters while Tolkien just gets his name mentioned? What the heck? (Kidding.)
Oh, and the first Lord of the Rings book was published four years after TLTW&TW. Undoubtedly it’s the more popular of the two but you can’t say one has failed the test of time over the other.
While TLTW&TW came out prior to the first book of the LOTR, please remember that The Hobbit was published in 1937. LOTR is actually a sequel to it, in spite of the fact that many seem to consider the forthcoming movie to be a prequel, th estory actually came first and stood very effectively on its own.
ipso facto, Narnia does not predate Middle earth.
Tolkien actually took then idea of middle-earth from the Anglo-Saxons, so if we’re going that route…
I like C.S. Lewis, but I’m Jewish so I simply choose to interpret these things, er, differently. Y’know. Minus the Christ references.
Doesn’t anyone here care that Lewis and Tolkien both studied at the same schools and both stole a bunch of their writing styles from T.H. White? Heck I think White was a professor at the school they went to around the time they went there.
You know White… the guy who wrote The Once and Future King?
or the fact that they were in the same writers group and in fact the Narnia chronicles only really exist because they were trying to find something else to go over besides Tolkien’s epic. They were good friends and both scholars of ancient literature including Medieval Allegory and early Anglo-Saxon epic literature. Oh sorry we need to pit these two scholars and friends against each other.
Although couldn’t you say White in turn borrowed from arthurian legends and other English and western europian scripts? Everything is derivative.
Okay, sorry, I’m done now!
I think Tolkien is an arse, I have a book that explains everything about C.S Lewis and his books, and because those two were friends, and they had a writing group, Lewis put references in to Tolkien’s characters and places, but Tolkien put one measly reference. Yolkien would also read out his stories to their group and everyone would compliment him, then Lewis would read his and everyone would like them, but Tolkien would just say how crap they are. Personally I prefer Lewis and so do many other people.
oops, I wrote a friggin essay, sorry
@no0ne if we’re going the stolen ideas route then you could say that there are no more artists that haven’t stolen ideas/styles from others because everyone is inspired by something that is already there and pretty much all subjects have been used at least once before
One a side note… I remember a tasty rumor that J.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.R.T. only created Middle Earth to show off his created language (Elfish. Yes, with an “f”. He didn’t like editors changing his f’s to v’s).
This whole debate thread has made me deliriously happy and I have nothing to contribute other than I love everyone who comments here.
Say what you want about Tolkien and Lewis, I still maintain that A. A. Milne is simply the best fantasy writer to have ever walked the earth.
Anyone who tries to nudge Pratchett will be nudged in their face by my raging fist!
That is absolutely hysterical, you just made my day.
J. K. Rowling is a sizable couple of pages, but C. S. Lewis is “a footnote, and won’t last for long.”
Oh man, you’re awesome. Do you buff and polish your monumental ignorance before you go outside? Because it is truly SHINING today.
Lucy looks fucking CREEPY.
What’s worse is that she looks disturbingly like the actual actress.
someone tell the CENTAUR that freaking magic dont exist? i mean geez, lets run like crazy and outflank the inteligent queen who torture, counting on her stupidity…yeah like TOTALLY, and them we slave some ponies and ride toward the cientific rainbow leaving the lion to reign the kingdom of slowness-to-show, THAT’S science.
Still waiting for that bus, huh, Aslan? He’s persistent, look like Harry and Byrnison already got tired of waiting and decided to walk.
In spite of the Christian undertones, even my not being Christian, I still love Narnia. It is actually Christo-pagan in nature. C.S. Lewis was a Christian apologist, but I think deep down he still had some pagan in him, and used Narnia to express that side of him, even while making Aslan Jesus and the White Witch satan.
However, The Hobbit and the rest of the Lord of the Rings series is way better, and based on Anglo Saxon paganism, even though Tolkien was a Christian. Go Tolkien!
religion is just the foundation of a world wide mass murder that will never stop.
i made popcorn for the next war.
Religion doesn’t cause wars, money and resources do. Religion is just a tool repurposed to create an Us Versus Them dichotomy in order to get the poor and ignorant to fight, despite the fact that it doesn’t benefit anyone but the rich and powerful. The same is true of nationalism.
Also, Tolkien and Lewis didn’t borrow exclusively from Anglo-Saxon paganism, but also Celtic and Norse paganism.
…I mean um… Lol aslan has ass in it lol.
Religion doesn’t cause all wars, but I do think they can and usually do make things go on for much longer than they otherwise would if they didn’t exist.
You have a good point as far as people in religion using it to influence poor people to fight who wouldn’t care otherwise.
However, you’re incorrect in your assessment that religion isn’t the reason so much as a tool. It can be both. Consider the Crusades and the bloody, centuries long battles between the Christians and the Muslims. That wasn’t about resources because the land they were fighting over had almost nothing other than religious significance for both.
The only thing I have to add is this:
When a survey of centuries’ worth of warfare, covering over 1,000 wars, was recently made and the causes examined?
That’s how many were triggered by religious divisions.
A little over a hundred out of a thousand+.
So, yes, sometimes religion is a trigger, or at least the major excuse.
But it’s actually pretty rare.
Most wars , it turns out, are territorial disputes, fights over resources (“this fertile farmland/water source/bunch of animals in a forest is OURS damnit!”), or just flat out people hating each other (the old “his third cousin’s grandfather killed my fourth cousin’s father!” type stupidity, revolts against disliked leaders, inheritance disputes etc.).
Hell, even in the middle east, where religious differences are a major deal, nonetheless, a lot of wars aren’t particularly religious in nature. A fantastic example is the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. Yes, they’re of somewhat different faiths (though not as different as a lot of people might think; Halal and Kosher practices are almost identical for instance), but the real issue is they both are convinced they deserve Jerusalem/the West Bank/etc., and neither side’s leaders wants to share the land.
Again, not to say the element isn’t ever there, and not to say it can’t be the main trigger… but it’s rare for it to be the primary cause for all-out war, compared to just sheer, ordinary territorialism.
Or in other words: Humanity is a bunch of jerks who like lobbing things at each other at the slightest provocation. Film at eleven.
I’d like to point out that most people come here to read a webcomic, not read some tirade on human nature. In addition, religion is often used as a justification for war, simply because it sounds more reasonable than “we didn’t like them, so we attacked them.”
Great, these two guys again -.-
You could take ANY sci-fi/fantasy book and say there are religious undertones of any kind. Why does it matter? I just read and enjoy the books I like. I could care less about “religious” or “pagan” undertones.
I just think they’re cool.
has anyone else noticed that the oldest Pevansie girl has huge jugs irl? check it out.
also, this comic is awesome.
No she doesn’t they try to make it look like she does by putting her in dresses that eccentuate them but it doesn’t work, she’s friggin British, they all have huge mouths, teeth and heads, thick eyebrows and scrawny boy bodies.
As a Brit I can assure you, we have plenty of hot women here.
The stereotype of us Brits as having huge teeth and stuff like that stems entirely from the fact that the typical American is stupid enough to spend thousands of dollars on unnecessary cosmetic surgery to align his or her children’s teeth.
Along with routinely and pointlessly mutilating the genitals of their male offspring, I might add.
Similarly, American girls have thinner eyebrows because they pluck them. When American girls have bigger tits, this is generally because they’ve had even more unnecessary surgery – that is, fake boobs. Measuring your countrymen against mine is pointless when you spend thousands of dollars artificially augmenting them first.
I hear you, buddy. It’s terrible when people stereotype your entire national population. Like you, claiming that my American mammobombs must surely be the product of surgical enhancement, and not, say, a combination of genetics and breastfeeding. Then again, maybe my boobs don’t count, since I’m Mexican-American as opposed to Euro-American. Does my ethnicity figure into the stereotype-hypothesis, or is it an extraneous variable that conveniently excludes me from the sample?
Honestly, I couldn’t stand either Narnia or LOTR. Alice could kick everybody’s collective butt and make good puns, even if Rev. Dogeson (Lewis Caroll) was a little strange, and after her it would be seventy years give or take before another convincing female character showed up in a fantasy novel.
Pratchett > all
He’s always at that same bus stop, isn’t he? Does he ever move from that one spot?
That’s where he sleeps, he’s homeless.
Catholics are heretics, Protestants are double heretics, everything derived from protestantism is triple heresy. That’s said bay may old grandma. ;-P
Oh, the Protestants hate the Catholics,
And the Catholics hate the Protestants,
And the Hindus hate the Muslims,
And everybody hates the Jews…
And everybody hates the Jews…
And everybody hates Atheists…
Waiting for Godot.
I’m starting to think the driver of that bus is Godot…
Not wanting to seem snobby but The Lion, The Witch, and the wardrobe wasn’t the first book in the chronicles of narnia the first book was the magicians nephew. Though it was the sixth book published.
You’re not being very good at being snobby if you’re trying to support the new-fangled ordering that didn’t exist until many of us were grown up. I think by definition you can only be snobby about the old, original ordering.
You know, the better one.
The one that tells the story out of order simply because Lewis didn’t have the mythos fully-formed when he wrote the first one?
Meh. To each their own.
I think I read it in both orders at different times. Prefer reading it in written order.
This is epic
I *STILL* find this one faintly spooky.
“swiftly on his way” Note the snow-white background. Aslan is not waiting for a bus. He is at a photo-op in Lantern Waste. The bus sign is yet another of the artifacts located there…
I like pota
I like potato.
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