If Clint was a GI Joe fan in the 1960′s, that means he was a child in the 60′s, and perhaps a teenager in the 70′s. Ya’ know, DURING the Vietnam war. So, exactly what “wars” has he fought in?
Also, Hasbro actually “changed GI Joe completely” from the 12″ line in the mid 70′s with the advent of the 8″ Adventure Team line. Not only did they change the scale, they changed GI Joe from a soldier, to a civilian adventure.
When that line ended a few years later, Hasbro put GI Joe on hiatus for a couple of years before re-launching it in 82′ with the 3 3/4″ Real American Hero line. So Sigma 6 was hardly the same thing.
Re-a) — In the 60′s? I don’t think adult toy collecting existed much back then. I remember the stigma against adults buying toys for themselves in the 80′s and early 90′s. One would think it would have been far worst back then. His parents would have surely trashed his collecting while he was off in Vietnam. But I suppose it’s possible. Clint would have been regarded as a freak at the time though.
Re-b) — Which was my original question. What war? Or rather “WARS” as Clint insists he fought in multiple ones. After Vietnam, America avoided getting directly involved in another full blown war until the 90′s, and Operation Desert Storm. A decade later, we have the current Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Clint COULD have fought in them. But the whole point is that he’s old enough to have collected the original 12″ GI Joe.
How old is Clint exactly? If he was a kid in the 60′s, he’d be about 50 when this was originally published. If he was indeed an adult collector in the 60′s be may have fought in Vietnam, but he have been in his 50′s at the time of Desert Storm, and in his 60′s in 2005. And as many GI Joe fan insisted to me when DDP had the comic licence, guys that old do NOT serve in active combat.
But in all honesty, I’m just being snarky here because this is what gets thrown in the face of GI Joe fans every time they complain about anything Hasbro does with the franchise. So much is often made of 12″ fans being left disgruntled by the advent of the 3 3/4″ line back in 1982, but it’s just not true. The 12″ line was NOT canceled to make way for the 3 3/4″ line. It was replaced by the 8″ Adventure team line in mid 70′s.
Both those lines had been long gone from store shelves — for years in fact — by the time the 3 3/4″ Real American Hero line came out. Further, it’s not like any “classic” 12″ or 8″ character were being replaced, or had their gender, race or nationality changed. Quite the contrary really. The 12″ and Adventure Team lines were paid homage to in the pages of the RAH GI Joe comic book, with the introduction of Joseph Colton and his wife Jane.
This finally gave a name and back story to the original GI Joe line — which it had not had previously — and tied all the previous incarnations of GI Joe up to that time together in one continuity. Thanks to that, 12″ fan even got to see THEIR GI Joe return to toy shelves in the 90′s. With all that in mind, how angry about the 3 3/4″ figures and their fans can 12″ fans be?
Clint is based on the very real demographic that attends G.I. Joe Con every year for the 12-inch collectors set (versus the RAH-themed one). I’m not sure why you try to claim that they don’t exist. And after I put up this comic, I sure got lots of emails from people from that very demographic for being absolutely correct. They thanked me. These people who apparently don’t exist.
3 3/4″ collectors certainly really really want to believe that the various bones thrown in the 12″ collector’s direction were really awesome and totally made the peace. But that’s not how things work. That’s never how they work. If it were, then toy collecting would be entirely different today. Unless you think you can point out to a 1984 Transformers fan that hates the live action movies that, hey, Revenge of the Fallen had the Matrix of Leadership in it!, and that suddenly he’d realize he was being pandered to and that would make him like the live-action movies. No, that’s never how it works. It will never be how it works.
He could just be some one who fought in wars, likes G I Joe, and hate when people complain about stupid stuff. Kinda like me, but just in the one war. Sure people like the originals better, I like the originals better. I have huge fan issues over TF Armada but I still watched and liked it. So its more that a hole needs to shut it. By the by, G I Joe got me to want to join the military and I feel the same way when some one openly insults any version of it like that, movie included and I disliked the movie a lot.
Note that amber said He currently collects the original dolls not that he was collecting them at the time. There are a lot of adult collectors who collect things from before. He looks like the age of a korean or vietnam vet to me, possibly both.
Or he was born in the late 50′s and drafted when he was on his late teens and the war was winding down. Or he fought in one of those police actions and brush wars like the Grenada or Panama invasions.
I’m not saying that I don’t think that 12″ who don’t like the 3 3/4″ line don’t exist. Far from it. I know they do. I’m just being nit-picky here about Clint’s claims because I’ve always found the comparison of 12″ fans’ reaction to the end of their line and the advent of the RAH line, to the 3 3/4″ inch fans’ reaction to stuff like Sigma 6 and the live action movie — which is usually to say that 12″ fans have a lot more to be angry about then 3 3/4″ fans do, so we have no right to complain — to be bullshit.
And I call BS on it because I really haven’t seen that much anger and resentment from 12″ fans at all. And I have to think, why would I? As I said, the 12″ line wasn’t canceled to make way for 3 3/4″ figures. It have been canceled for years, and in fact, by 1982. Not like the 3 3/4″ line was canceled to make way for Sigma 6. Now admittedly, as a 3 3/4″ inch fan, I don’t hang out at a lot of 12″ boards, but is there really the kind of bitterness Clint seems to be spewing here? I don’t know.
Still, I admit that you’re probably right about many of the 12″ Joes we got in the 90′s and early 00′s being seen as little more then bones thrown to 12″ fans. It’s the way I feel about the occasional classic Joe character that was thrown into the movie line as a bone to fans who missed the Anniversary line. On the other hands, I’ve loved the various classic G1 characters thrown into the Transformers movie line like Bludgeon, Brakedown, Axor and Sea Spray. So what do I know?
Niice.
Just remember, anyone who disagrees with you in a comic is a flicking Clint.
I think that her computer isn’t fixed yet…
If Clint was a GI Joe fan in the 1960′s, that means he was a child in the 60′s, and perhaps a teenager in the 70′s. Ya’ know, DURING the Vietnam war. So, exactly what “wars” has he fought in?
Also, Hasbro actually “changed GI Joe completely” from the 12″ line in the mid 70′s with the advent of the 8″ Adventure Team line. Not only did they change the scale, they changed GI Joe from a soldier, to a civilian adventure.
When that line ended a few years later, Hasbro put GI Joe on hiatus for a couple of years before re-launching it in 82′ with the 3 3/4″ Real American Hero line. So Sigma 6 was hardly the same thing.
Either a) He started collecting as an adult, (crazy, I know) or b) he fought in a war after the Vietnam War.
Re-a) — In the 60′s? I don’t think adult toy collecting existed much back then. I remember the stigma against adults buying toys for themselves in the 80′s and early 90′s. One would think it would have been far worst back then. His parents would have surely trashed his collecting while he was off in Vietnam. But I suppose it’s possible. Clint would have been regarded as a freak at the time though.
Re-b) — Which was my original question. What war? Or rather “WARS” as Clint insists he fought in multiple ones. After Vietnam, America avoided getting directly involved in another full blown war until the 90′s, and Operation Desert Storm. A decade later, we have the current Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Clint COULD have fought in them. But the whole point is that he’s old enough to have collected the original 12″ GI Joe.
How old is Clint exactly? If he was a kid in the 60′s, he’d be about 50 when this was originally published. If he was indeed an adult collector in the 60′s be may have fought in Vietnam, but he have been in his 50′s at the time of Desert Storm, and in his 60′s in 2005. And as many GI Joe fan insisted to me when DDP had the comic licence, guys that old do NOT serve in active combat.
But in all honesty, I’m just being snarky here because this is what gets thrown in the face of GI Joe fans every time they complain about anything Hasbro does with the franchise. So much is often made of 12″ fans being left disgruntled by the advent of the 3 3/4″ line back in 1982, but it’s just not true. The 12″ line was NOT canceled to make way for the 3 3/4″ line. It was replaced by the 8″ Adventure team line in mid 70′s.
Both those lines had been long gone from store shelves — for years in fact — by the time the 3 3/4″ Real American Hero line came out. Further, it’s not like any “classic” 12″ or 8″ character were being replaced, or had their gender, race or nationality changed. Quite the contrary really. The 12″ and Adventure Team lines were paid homage to in the pages of the RAH GI Joe comic book, with the introduction of Joseph Colton and his wife Jane.
This finally gave a name and back story to the original GI Joe line — which it had not had previously — and tied all the previous incarnations of GI Joe up to that time together in one continuity. Thanks to that, 12″ fan even got to see THEIR GI Joe return to toy shelves in the 90′s. With all that in mind, how angry about the 3 3/4″ figures and their fans can 12″ fans be?
Clint is based on the very real demographic that attends G.I. Joe Con every year for the 12-inch collectors set (versus the RAH-themed one). I’m not sure why you try to claim that they don’t exist. And after I put up this comic, I sure got lots of emails from people from that very demographic for being absolutely correct. They thanked me. These people who apparently don’t exist.
3 3/4″ collectors certainly really really want to believe that the various bones thrown in the 12″ collector’s direction were really awesome and totally made the peace. But that’s not how things work. That’s never how they work. If it were, then toy collecting would be entirely different today. Unless you think you can point out to a 1984 Transformers fan that hates the live action movies that, hey, Revenge of the Fallen had the Matrix of Leadership in it!, and that suddenly he’d realize he was being pandered to and that would make him like the live-action movies. No, that’s never how it works. It will never be how it works.
He could just be some one who fought in wars, likes G I Joe, and hate when people complain about stupid stuff. Kinda like me, but just in the one war. Sure people like the originals better, I like the originals better. I have huge fan issues over TF Armada but I still watched and liked it. So its more that a hole needs to shut it. By the by, G I Joe got me to want to join the military and I feel the same way when some one openly insults any version of it like that, movie included and I disliked the movie a lot.
And roadblock is one of my favorites so I’m loving the fact I got that gravatar
Sheez, all you guys in the past, it was just a joke. You got like frikkin essays goin on there
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Note that amber said He currently collects the original dolls not that he was collecting them at the time. There are a lot of adult collectors who collect things from before. He looks like the age of a korean or vietnam vet to me, possibly both.
Or he was born in the late 50′s and drafted when he was on his late teens and the war was winding down. Or he fought in one of those police actions and brush wars like the Grenada or Panama invasions.
I’m not saying that I don’t think that 12″ who don’t like the 3 3/4″ line don’t exist. Far from it. I know they do. I’m just being nit-picky here about Clint’s claims because I’ve always found the comparison of 12″ fans’ reaction to the end of their line and the advent of the RAH line, to the 3 3/4″ inch fans’ reaction to stuff like Sigma 6 and the live action movie — which is usually to say that 12″ fans have a lot more to be angry about then 3 3/4″ fans do, so we have no right to complain — to be bullshit.
And I call BS on it because I really haven’t seen that much anger and resentment from 12″ fans at all. And I have to think, why would I? As I said, the 12″ line wasn’t canceled to make way for 3 3/4″ figures. It have been canceled for years, and in fact, by 1982. Not like the 3 3/4″ line was canceled to make way for Sigma 6. Now admittedly, as a 3 3/4″ inch fan, I don’t hang out at a lot of 12″ boards, but is there really the kind of bitterness Clint seems to be spewing here? I don’t know.
Still, I admit that you’re probably right about many of the 12″ Joes we got in the 90′s and early 00′s being seen as little more then bones thrown to 12″ fans. It’s the way I feel about the occasional classic Joe character that was thrown into the movie line as a bone to fans who missed the Anniversary line. On the other hands, I’ve loved the various classic G1 characters thrown into the Transformers movie line like Bludgeon, Brakedown, Axor and Sea Spray. So what do I know?
Sigma Six featured a tank with helicopter blades on the top that flew.
Fuck Sigma Six.
Dude, that is AWESOME.
Don’t you love how idiot haters think they know everything when they really don’t.
I think Clint needs to be tagged. I bet we haven’t seen the last of him by a long shot.
Well, regardless of argument A), B), C) or D), it’s a funny comic.
Pretty universal for any subject where there’s an annoying, whiny twit.
Huh. It just occurred to me that the whiny guy looks (and sounds) a bit like Mike from S*P. …Before donning the Pythagorean’s cape, that is.
He looks like Senator Armstrong from Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance!
Its GI Joe………Every time you play with them you fight in “WARS”….no further “WARS” need be mentioned