Scott Snyder’s Batman is basically the best Batman ever.
it may be a white castle on the outside, but the owls run the inside
The first comment wasn’t from Jen Aside? Uh oh, is she sick?
i wasnt trying to subvert jen’s place, i just thought that would be funny
You didn’t do anything wrong, its just Jen Aside almost always manages to post a message before anyone else.
She hasn’t posted at all yet, and the comic has been up for 12 hours. Wonder where she went…? *laugh*
Unlike SOME people, if I don’t have anything to say, I don’t say it. Especially if that nothing is “FIRST”
Banana fish origami spork.
It was indeed funny.
So White Castle is the new Starbucks?
I thought starbucks was the new White Castle…chronologically
It’s the Royal Flush gang setting up franchises.
I’m trying to resist the urge to make the obvious White Castle/Royal Flush Gang joke, I really am.
What, like at what White Castle they give you the royal treatment including the royal flush?
Er, more having to do with the gastrointestial issues that White Castle burgers are legendary for causing.
There is a restaurant chain in Australia called Red Rooster which has a habit of causing gastrointestial issues with customers for at least 30 years and isn’t all that popular, but somehow it manages to stay in business.
People are gluttons for punishment?
Huh. Weird. I get red rooster every shift (classic quarter combo with fanta, and a chocolate mousse) and I’ve never had issues.
If they see me coming, they usually have the food at least halfway ready for me.
My knowledge of certain American chains is stil somewhat limited.
White Castle is somewhat famous for the “Slider”, a 2″ square burger that they grill on a bed of onions. it’s a fairly cheap burger in comparison to some, & they were among the first chains in america to be open RREEAALLLLYY late in the evening/AM hours, making them great stoner food. also, they make pretty good onion rings, all of these things lead to some rather gassy results in their patrons. (of which I’m occasionally one of) ^_^
They’re called sliders because of the way they just slide through your GI tract. I hate the damned things, but my wife loved them so I guess I’ll have to go over to Jersey City tomorrow, buy a Crave Case, eat about three or four and give the rest to our friends coming over to watch the highly illegal (in New Jersey) fireworks I picked up in New Hampshire when I was up there a week and some back scattering her ashes from just below the summit of Mount Washington.
…wait…is that batman? He didn’t declare it expositionally so much as progressively 3rd person the title upon himself.
Yeah, he didn’t say “I’m Batman” either.
I can only guess that White Castle has that effect on people.
This is the first thing that crossed my mind. He can’t be the real Batman!
At least he’s not Crazy Steve.
It must be a Batman imposter!
Yeah but he ruined Mr. Freeze for me.
Worse than Schumacher?
Granted the ice puns does get to me and I’m a horrible comedian but at least I still can be sorry for Freeze. You know, what with the wife having an incurable disease and all.
It gets to a point though that sympathy can’t blind you to the sheer ammount of people he’s hurt/killed.
Might not be the best Mr. Freeze, removing some sympathy, but he made Freeze more of a villain, which he should be. It’s a nice interpretation; the ending in particular really got to me.
Wait… Are there White Castles on the East Coast now?
Because that’d mean they’re finally sucking it up and expanding for real… That’d be awesome in a terrible way.
There are plenty in New Jersey, where Gotham City is often cited to be located.
So there are. I thought they were midwest only.
They’re so damn odd. If they’d franchise they’d probably slap around McDonalds a bit. I don’t get their business model.
They show up in the southeast too. I’ve seen them in Mississippi and florida, at least.
White Castle not only doesn’t franchise, but they only build a new White Castle once they have enough capital to fund the entire venture. They don’t go into hock for a new location, ever. It severely limits the business’ growth, but is an extraordinarily STABLE model. Fair trade, if you’re more interested in STAYING moderately rich than in BECOMING super rich.
Also, there’s lots of them in Jersey because that’s where they started. I love my birth State.
Beg pardon? *Jersey*?? Are you serious?
White Castle (currently headquartered in my city of residence, Columbus OH) opened its original location in Wichita KS in 1921, according to their website. They didn’t reach Jersey until 1930.
I’ve heard lots of stories about White Castle’s history, but I’ve never before heard anyone claim they started in Jersey.
But Franchising is a minimum risk venture. The majority of the risk is assumed by the franchise owner. Their benefit is, of course, a stable brand. They could still stay stable and grow their business by leaps and bounds. The only REAL problem they’d have is setting up some kind of gestapo-McDonalds-esque watchdog and training crew to make sure nobody cocks their brand identity.
…Gotham City seems really populated, I can’t quite imagining it being located in a small state like Jersey…not to mention the very…un-Jersey like citizens.
And I’m pretty sure Gotham doesn’t have a horrible reality show.
Most New Jersians aren’t like that as much as reality TV wants you to think the opposite.
I believe you…but I believe there’s at least a clustered population of stereotypes…we’ve got them in Georgia too. Though most of us aren’t rednecks, there’s still a bunch a’ dem.
Yeah I live here in Georgia too but luckily most rednecks live in remoter areas around here so I don’t have to deal with them often. Good thing too, otherwise I might try and murder them with a sandal >.>
A map of DC cities from the 1990 Atlas of the DC Universe: http://images.wikia.com/marvel_dc/images/c/c5/Metropolis_Map_02.jpg
What the hell happened to the East Coast?
Unlike Metropolis being in Delaware Gotham being in New Jersey has gotten a few in-comic mentions – Legion of Superheroes mentions the Batcave being found in the Jersey region of Metropolis (which based on references, by the 30th century sprawls across most of the northern portion of the East Coast of the US, absorbing at least Boston and Gotham, and presumably NYC), some Batman comic, I can’t remember which, shows a character’s driver’s licence with the state given as NJ, and, rather weaker than either, but still – when Joker tries to blow up New York City in Birds of Prey, Gotham is cited as being 100 miles away, which assuming the number wasn’t just chosen as a vague large number, and given that Gotham is a coastal city, leaves only southern New Jersey and eastern Rhode Island as possible locations for it.
It’s odd though for it to be placed in Delaware on that map since it’s been mostly cited as a Kansas city since Bryne’s post-crisis run in 86.
I don’t believe Metropolis has ever been put in Kansas in the comics (as opposed to Smallville), and certainly hasn’t had its location nailed down post-Crisis. The fact that it’s a coastal city pretty much makes Kansas for a location impossible. (You may be thinking of Smallville that had a similar non-specific location until Crisis when it was nailed down as Kansas.)
It’s invariably been portrayed as an East Coast city, even ignoring that it swallows the rest of the East Coast by the end of the 30th century.
I always just thought Smallville AND Metropolis were both in Kansas, and I knew Metropolis had a harbor, and I didn’t care. Because COMICS. I just headnodded and went with it.
Is that so wrong?
As for population – New Jersey is the most densely populated State in the U.S. Almost 9 million people. And the folks you’re probably thinking of . . . they’re mostly from NY, not NJ.
I thought they started in New Jersey – I’ve just always associated them with New Jersey for some reason. Honestly, until now I wasn’t sure if there were any outside New Jersey, just thought maybe they made a big impact on bicoastal screenwriters too poor to shell out for a room in New York.
…I’m trying to think if I’ve ever seen one anywhere in New England… I’m 99% sure I haven’t in Mass…
Actually, White Castle started in Wichita, KS. Ironically, we no longer have any of them here.
It really varies from writer to writer and artist to artist. Sometimes it’s in Jersy. Other times it’s New York, with Bludhaven in Jersey. Aaaand sometimes it’s Chicago, with Bludhaven as Gary.
Was never that up on Batman, but I always thought Gotham City was New York City under an assumed name.
New York City is a place separate from Gotham City in DC comics. For example, NYC is where the Power Girl solo title was set. The Justice Society was based out of there, and I think Titans Tower is there as well.
At least in the 2003 Teen Titans comics and in the Animated version, the tower was in San Francisco bay (or at least, somewere in california with a suspiciously familiar bridge)
The Titans were based in New York through the ’80s and ’90s; they switched coasts later.
Growing up I always thought of Metropolis as representing NYC and Gotham styled after Chicago, but have since read that they were both versions of New York City – Metropolis is the daytime and Gotham at night, I guess.
Actually, Metropolis was originally based on Chicago, but later was revised to be more like NYC.
Shuster claimed Toronto (where he grew up – he moved to Chicago as a teen) was his inspiration, actually.
It doesn’t look a whole lot like Toronto (or Chicago, or New York) as drawn by Shuster, however…it’s a pretty generic cityscape.
That makes sense. Toronto looks like every city (hence how it stands in for every city in Hollywood movies).
The original Titans Tower was in NYC. The newer one was in San Francisco. However, NYC was the base of operations of Green Lantern Kyle Rayner.
Metropolis, Gotham, and NYC are all basically New York City, but also exist as three separate locations in the comics. I vaguely seemed to recall one of the cartoons implying that Metropolis and Gotham were, like, across the bay from one another, but that’s silly.
Grant Morrison in Seven Soldiers claimed that Metropolis, Gotham, and NYC were so close that they were sometimes called the “Three Stepsisters” (and that NYC was the least significant of the three). At least New York was close enough to Slaughter Swamp (a Gotham locale) that Klarion could get to the New York subway system via tunnels on foot without too much trouble.
You can add Batman tie-in with Jersey Shore for comedy gold. Snooki is very penguin-ish.
Auugh! Now I have a picture of an annoying orange penguin waddling around in my head. Thanks a lot.
And if it wasn’t enough that we have RTL and partners as our own crap supplier in Germany – we’ve also MTV to show us the American reality shows, too.
I miss the time when the M in MTV stood for ‘Music’ instead of – something else.
Wow, you are old enough to remember that too?
Woah, woah woah! Gotham city is in Jersey? Why haven’t we heard the bat-voice with a Jersey accent?
None in any part of PA I’m familiar with.
Then again when you’re in the northeast and only go as far down as Philly…
In the Southeast where I’m from, we don’t have White Castles, but we do have Krystals… same thing, more generic branding.
Ironically enough, Krystal’s marketing catchphrase is “Nothing Like It”.
They’ve been in New York for ages. At least 20 years.
I’m surprised than anyone wants to open a business in Gotham.
Hey, even criminals buy coffee sometimes.
I don’t think they paid for the coffee.
I think there was a scene in one of the miniseries based off the DCAU where Ivy and Harley do.
Though the image of the Joker stopping for a burger does amuse me.
*Resists linking to the Joker doing exactly that in the Paul Dini story Slay Ride*
+2 passive aggressive points.
Now that would be a “happy meal”. :p
Robble Robble Robble!
The daily mortality rate is probably in the thousands
Especially with the zoning commission’s requirement that you put a giant representation of your product on the roof.
Wouldn’t a giant representation of their procuct be a normal sized burger?
A White Castle has really got to stand out in that town, though. People will eat there, if only for the novelty of being in the first actually white building in that city ever.
Which would make it a big target for the criminals of Gotham.
Which makes it not at all unlike some of the neighborhoods in which White Castle’s are found in Indy.
I think the better question is why do people still live in Gotham.
Brain damage from all the chemical attacks and water supply poisoning?
The criminals have fewer superpowers there.
It’s less likely to be destroyed than some of the other fictional cities in the DCU?
A disproportionate number of psychiatrists and police officers to civilians? (Well, maybe not GOOD psychiatrists…)
Can’t afford to move?
Being a secret member of the Court of Owls?
In two word, Waynecorp and jobs. Major industry-leading conglomerate has its HQ and most of its offices in the city, so if you want to work there, you gotta live in or near the city.
since Im not from your country I didnt get until I read the comments,
I feel stupid now
Hey, I’m not from America too so I had too look it up.
As Douglas Adams theorized, some places end not with a bang but with a Wimpy.
I would gladly pay you tuesday for a hamburger today.
I always wonder if Wimpy simply got his check on Mondays or if he was just an irresponsible moocher.
Mr. Adams (and by extension, yours truly) meant the hamburger chain in the U.K. named for the Thimble Theater character.
UK has Wimpy’s, US has Popeye’s…a chicken restaurant oddly enough.
Canada has both
Before I forget
This is for you TimeMonkey o3o
My question continues to be: Why is Dick the only Bat without some armor in his csstume?
Maybe he prefer speed and mobility rather than protection?
Yeah I remember Dick once giving an explanation somewhere along those lines. It was something like, “I don’t wear armor so I can use my acrobatics when I fight.” I’m paraphrasing of course.
I always assumed he had some sort of woven kevlar kinda fabric, good to slow down bullets, but not thick enough to kill his agility.
Maybe because DC keeps wanting to kill him off and changing there minds.
His current look seems armored to me. It has plating and seams, at the very least.
Only on the arms and legs. If you see it thrown on the floor of his apartment, or with several small knives sticking out of his chest, it clearly has little to no armor at all on the torso.
Compare that to Batgirl’s new outfit, which is so armored the torso section stores in the wall like a medieval breastplate on display.
As seen in Batman #10, Batman’s top can hang over the back of Bruce’s chair like a t-shirt.
True. Still, we seem to have a situation where Batman’s outfit gives every appearance of being armored except when the artist does something stupid, while Dick’s outfit never appears to be armored.
Then again, Batwoman’s outfit has little appearance of armor and is apparently bulletproof now.
I disagree! Batman’s top and pants (at least when being drawn by Greg Capullo in Batman) always look like some sort of seamed fabric to me, while the boots and gloves seem armored. In other words, just like Nightwing’s outfit.
There is an armor protection fabric that they use for coats and suits, all presidents and big shot politicians have them, that looks, feels, and acts like fabric. It cost about 100,000 for a shirt, it feels like silk. Batman and Nightwing would both be able to afford it. The down fall is that it just slows the bullet, won’t pierce the through but would leave a nasty cut and bruise, but doesn’t slow you down a second.
The thing I love about Snyder’s Batman? He embraces one of his big influences, Batman: TAS, and you can hear Kevin Conroy’s voice delivering the dialogue in the book.
Kevin Conroy IS Batman.
Hm. Was I the only one that read Batman’s speech like Lord Grantham telling Matthew about Downton Abbey near the beginning of that series?
I was? Oh. Carry on then.
Curses! You’ve infected me! Now’ll read every Batman line in Lord Grantham’s voice!
On that bat-note, does anyone else want Bane to hoist Batman overhead and then do what he’s famous for in Rises
White Castle hasn’t arrived yet to Mexico, but Carl’s jr seem to be accelerating it’s growth in here…
And from Scott Snyder’s run in batman I have heard very divided opinions, from him I prefer to buy american vampire XD
I always like the way you draw Batman, Willis, but this one really stood out to me as being well done. You always seem to be really good at emulating other drawing styles.
ah white castle. yet another place i can never visit. CURSE YOU EXTREME FITNESS, YOU HEARTLESS MONSTER YOU
Hey, don’t sell White Castle short of the fitness front. Toilet sprints are good cardio.
YAY! A Batman Joke!
What Batman doesn’t know is that within lurks the Fuhrer of Food Fixings himself, the Condiment King! Will Batman and Nightwing kick the master of the Brutal Gourmet in his ketchup-coated keister?
Tune in tomorrow, same bat-time, same bat-channel.
“The perp appears to be attacking people with…ketchup?”
“Hmm…sounds like one of those nights.”
That reminds me of the episode of the Adam-West-based animated Batman series when the villian was based around ice cream and sweets.
That guy kicked Batman’s ass. Most effective villain in that series.
Condiment King is nothing compared to the power behind the fast-food throne. From out of the shadows comes the chilling pronouncement, “I am Newfu!”
Now I want to see Batman go up against Dr. McNinja’s King Radical. And so does Dr. McNinja. The poor guy wants to team up SO BAD…
Whoot whoot, heck yeah. I just watched that with my daughter.
I’m just amazed at how varied your styles at drawing Batman can be.
It’s weird that I only learned about White Castle yesterday and now it’s popping up in today’s Shortpacked page O_O
And iIt’s even weirder that I’ve apparently double posted and I honestly can’t imagine how it’s happened.
well, if the White Castle burgers in person are as bad as the ones you get in the frozen section of the store, I can understand why Batman’s upset.
Those things suck.
I really like Snyder’s Batman, too, to the point that I was willing to overlook his making James Gordon Jr, who was a baby in “Batman: Year One,” the same age as Dick Grayson in his final DETECTIVE COMICS arc before The New Screw You launched.
I do kinda have a problem with the Big Reveal at the end of BATMAN #10 (which would sell just as well if it was #723 like God intended), which originated in one of those ridiculous 1970s WORLD’S FINEST stories that you look back on and think “Did none of the editors talk to each other back then?”
I’m pretty okay with ignoring some stuff from Year One. For example, anything dealing at all with Selina Kyle.
I really, really need a like button for this!
Year One has been retconned so many times that it’s been more or less out of continuity for a long time.
I should get around to reading Batman: Year One. Admittedly, I only just started reading comics. The New 52 thing, although obviously having some flaws, really gave me the motivation to start reading up. And given what I’ve seen from Snyder so far? Best decision of my life.
I really like your take on the New 52 batsuit. very nice looking.
No, Dick, there are few things more insidiously evil than this.
Well, what about Wal-Mart? I highly doubt Batman would allow that in Gotham.
I like how the rain has vanished in the fourth panel.
There should be a spotlight of rain on Batman only.
I hate how clearing my cache makes me have to try to remember which email address I signed up to Gravatars with every single time…
Yay! First try, for once.
JUST a new White Castle? New White Castles are serious business, son.
White Castle was in Georgia in the 70′s. While stationed in SC, a friend of mine had to drive homeon the weekends to get her berger fix. The dang things grow on you, like a fungus.
Snyder’s Batman really isn’t the best. If you honestly think so, you need to read Batman between . . . 1966-1985.
I hope those Krystal fans don’t feel left out…. 8)
No White Castle in my area. Had to wait until college to try it out. I threw it up after the first bite. Never tasted something so nasty in all my life. I feel so bad for Bruce. Gotham might as well be lost forever.
Am I the only person who when they read the phrase “built this city” quitely sings “on rock & roll”.
ROCK AND ROLL IS NOT A VIABLE BUILDING MATERIAL
If Gotham was built on rock and roll, Cataclysm and No Man’s Land suddenly make a lot more sense.
BLASPHEMY! Morrisongod is best Batman writer. *nods*
Yeah, I think so, too. Denny O’ Neil also has a valid claim to the title.
All due to respect to Mr. Snyder, he’s still just the flavor of the month. Let’s see where he stacks up in a few years’ time.
Ehhhh, Synder’s already writing stuff I like more than anything Grant Morrison’s ever done with Batman. Morrison’s Batman is scattered and weird and requires volumes of footnotes. Morrison’s Batman is great when it has its lucid moments, but too often it feels like it has its head up its own ass.
Nightwing is RED now? Sheesh. Why not call him Red Robin and be done with it, DC…
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