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Sabbath

by David Willis on March 7, 2012 at 12:01 am
  • 09 - The Secondish Coming

└ Tags: ethan, jesus, leslie, religion

Discussion (186) ¬

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  1. Stephen Bierce
    Stephen Bierce
    March 7, 2012 at 12:02 am | # | Reply

    DRAMA TAG!

    • wererat2000
      wererat2000
      March 7, 2012 at 12:43 am | # | Reply

      is this the new “first”??
      please tell me it is.

      • Stephen Bierce
        Stephen Bierce
        March 7, 2012 at 1:00 am | # | Reply

        It is if you want it to be.

        http://images.yuku.com/image/bmp/6263557e4cf0a0802fa6dbbc2aa856c758b112c.bmp

    • Historyman68
      Historyman68
      March 7, 2012 at 1:59 am | # | Reply

      Dharma tag!

      • Cholma
        Cholma
        March 7, 2012 at 3:04 am | # | Reply

        Oh crap! Not that!
        (unless you mean Greg & Dharma; some Jenna Elfman in here would be welcome)

        • Doctor_Who
          Doctor_Who
          March 7, 2012 at 8:06 am | # | Reply

          Fine. She can play Leslie in Shortpacked! the Movie.

          Check out the second GIS result. She can even pull off the requisite hairdo.

    • Digidestined of Trust (Tim)
      Digidestined of Trust (Tim)
      September 25, 2012 at 2:10 pm | # | Reply

      Thing is, the Real Jesus would’ve seen it coming.

  2. Aizat
    Aizat
    March 7, 2012 at 12:03 am | # | Reply

    Les, this guy fought the entire Greek pantheon and won, or so I’ve been told. Good luck with that.

    • Doctor_Who
      Doctor_Who
      March 7, 2012 at 12:07 am | # | Reply

      Okay, you just gave me a vision of Jesus being the star of the God of War games instead of Kratos.

      I…would play the hell out of that!

      • sephiroth144
        sephiroth144
        March 7, 2012 at 12:15 am | # | Reply

        Me, I’ll take the HISHE version for another GoW game, where at the end of the last one, “Bring me more Gods!” “Kratos, there are no more Gods” “No more GREEK Gods” Cue the other pantheons slaughteration, (including the Christian- of course, with Morgan Freeman as God)

        • Aizat
          Aizat
          March 7, 2012 at 12:16 am | # | Reply

          Of course, Morgan Freeman doesn’t get killed by Kratos. Because, no one can ever be mad at Morgan Freeman.

          • Cody B
            Cody B
            March 7, 2012 at 12:33 am | # | Reply

            I was after Wanted.

            But that’s another story for another time.

            • Historyman68
              Historyman68
              March 7, 2012 at 2:08 am | # | Reply

              I gotta see that. I’ve always thought Morgan Freeman should play a villain, it would be perfect anti-typecasting.

              Now I just want to see him in something with Martin Freeman. Because of the names.

              Or just another penguin movie.

              • Gundi
                Gundi
                March 7, 2012 at 8:17 am | # | Reply

                I think he’s good in the movie. The only problem is he’s almost the *only* good thing in the movie.

              • lordphulish
                lordphulish
                March 7, 2012 at 8:33 am | # | Reply

                Freeman actually got his big break in the 70′s playing pimps, back when that was the only role black actors could get. Hooray progress!

                • Netherpriest
                  Netherpriest
                  March 7, 2012 at 9:26 am | #

                  Lucky Number Slevin. Morgan Freeman does a good crime boss.

      • Jetstream
        Jetstream
        March 7, 2012 at 12:59 am | # | Reply

        I don’t think they ever made a video game, but…

        http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.com/2011/04/godyssey-1.html

        You could read it, if you want ;)

  3. alicemacher
    alicemacher
    March 7, 2012 at 12:03 am | # | Reply

    Leslie is arguably more like Robin than she thinks.

  4. mechaqua
    mechaqua
    March 7, 2012 at 12:04 am | # | Reply

    A tall blonde woman assaulting a small Jew I can’t say I have ever seen this before.

    • mechaqua
      mechaqua
      March 7, 2012 at 12:07 am | # | Reply

      Come to think of it Leslie’s not that tall.

      • Aizat
        Aizat
        March 7, 2012 at 12:12 am | # | Reply

        Well, at least she doesn’t have blue eyes.

  5. Plasma Mongoose
    Plasma Mongoose
    March 7, 2012 at 12:04 am | # | Reply

    Leslie looks like she’s going to crucify him for no good reason.

    • Aizat
      Aizat
      March 7, 2012 at 12:06 am | # | Reply

      Dude, he’s Jesus, the Christian Martial Artist. Or was it pronounced “Hay-sus”?

      • Plasma Mongoose
        Plasma Mongoose
        March 7, 2012 at 12:14 am | # | Reply

        At least she doesn’t have a nail-gun on her, now that would be bad.

        • Zap Rowsdower
          Zap Rowsdower
          March 7, 2012 at 12:16 am | # | Reply

          Using a nail-gun on a carpenter? Now that’s just mean.

          Especially if you use it incorrectly in the process.

    • Gareth
      Gareth
      March 7, 2012 at 4:27 am | # | Reply

      I don’t think she is going to kick his ass. I think she is mad because of all the stuff her family has put her through because of their religion and the possibility of a historical Jesus in the store has brought these feelings to the surface. I think she wants to confront the persecution she has faced and still faces.

      • begbert2
        begbert2
        March 7, 2012 at 10:57 am | # | Reply

        Confront it – by kicking his ass!

  6. Ryan
    Ryan
    March 7, 2012 at 12:04 am | # | Reply

    YES DO IT EPIC LESBIAN ASS-KICKING

  7. Seraph
    Seraph
    March 7, 2012 at 12:04 am | # | Reply

    Yep. Looks like “blames him for her family’s bigotry” was the right guess.

    • Brasca1
      Brasca1
      March 7, 2012 at 12:09 am | # | Reply

      Possibly or maybe she’s going to get some answers with force if necessary. Personally I’d love it if Jesus could come back and set some things straight. I know he’d probably agree with the fundamentalists on some things, but in the end I think they’d be more disillusioned than smug.

      • Zap Rowsdower
        Zap Rowsdower
        March 7, 2012 at 12:14 am | # | Reply

        No matter how much he agrees with, he’s probably going to be rather pissed at a fair bit of what happens in his name.

      • Cody B
        Cody B
        March 7, 2012 at 12:36 am | # | Reply

        Historical Jesus huh.

        I’m still waiting for Mythical Christian Jesus to show up.

        • gangler
          gangler
          March 7, 2012 at 5:29 am | # | Reply

          They could fight eachother! Have a Jesus-off! Show-down at sunset, choose your Jesus.

      • Shade
        Shade
        March 7, 2012 at 6:30 am | # | Reply

        My guess is they’d call him a no good hippy or something and ignore him.

        • Seraph
          Seraph
          March 7, 2012 at 10:03 am | # | Reply

          They’d try. Then he’d start going after televangelists and megachurch preachers with a whip of cords while shouting about turning his Father’s house into a den of thieves. The man did not like people who used their religious authority to fleece the rubes.

          • Zap Rowsdower
            Zap Rowsdower
            March 7, 2012 at 10:12 pm | # | Reply

            Don’t forget about the KKK and the Westboro Baptist Church, both of which use his name and claims of following him actively. Whole NEW kinds of sins in his name for him to freak out over!

      • TJ Baltimore
        TJ Baltimore
        March 7, 2012 at 7:28 am | # | Reply

        It would take a lot more than Historical Jesus (or even Mythical Christian Jesus) to get fundamentalist Christians to change their minds about any of their preconceived prejudices.

      • Chester
        Chester
        March 7, 2012 at 8:37 am | # | Reply

        Are you kidding? The Fundies would kill Jesus if he came back.

      • Seraph
        Seraph
        March 7, 2012 at 10:13 am | # | Reply

        Hmm…nah. If Leslie was going to beat answers out of someone, she’d probably at least ask the questions first.

        As for agreeing with the Fundamentalists…I don’t know. Modern American Fundamentalist Christians are obsessed with sexual sins and believe that prosperity is a sign of God’s favor and one’s own personal righteousness, all of which is pretty much the exact opposite of what Jesus preached. I honestly don’t see many points of agreement.

    • Aizat
      Aizat
      March 7, 2012 at 12:10 am | # | Reply

      Typical.

  8. Wonder Wig
    Wonder Wig
    March 7, 2012 at 12:05 am | # | Reply

    What are the odds of today’s DOA being titled “Lent” and today’s Shortpacked! being titled “Sabbath?”

    • Zap Rowsdower
      Zap Rowsdower
      March 7, 2012 at 12:06 am | # | Reply

      Very good considering the author is the same?

      • Wonder Wig
        Wonder Wig
        March 7, 2012 at 12:12 am | # | Reply

        Usually when there’s coincidences between the two Willis says they’re out of the blue.

        • David Willis
          David Willis
          March 7, 2012 at 12:23 am | # | Reply

          Yeah, this wasn’t intentional, but I’ll take credit for it anyway.

          • Cody B
            Cody B
            March 7, 2012 at 12:37 am | # | Reply

            Good man.

          • Bickendan
            Bickendan
            March 7, 2012 at 1:23 am | # | Reply

            As you well should.

    • Historyman68
      Historyman68
      March 7, 2012 at 2:12 am | # | Reply

      As a Jew, what Lent means to me: 2 for 1 Fillet O Fish!

      • Ethan Shuster
        Ethan Shuster
        March 7, 2012 at 8:29 am | # | Reply

        I always find it very funny that all the fast food places this time of year start advertising their fish sandwiches, but never say why. The reason of course is they don’t want to single out one religion in case some Jews or Muslims a drawn in by the advertising. I think one place is even trying to suggest that having fish is “Spring” thing.

    • Osaru Sensei
      Osaru Sensei
      March 7, 2012 at 3:25 am | # | Reply

      Ok, I’ve been staring myself blind at this… And I just don’t get it.

      (if anyone is gonna reply, bear in mind that I am not a native english speaker)

      • coobee
        coobee
        March 7, 2012 at 7:39 am | # | Reply

        Lent: A Christian period of fasting before easter
        Sabbath: the Jewish holy rest day of the week

        tada!

      • TJ Baltimore
        TJ Baltimore
        March 7, 2012 at 7:49 am | # | Reply

        Historical Jesus/Jeshua was a religious Jew. That means that he practiced the religion of Judaism. Judaism follows the Ten Commandments. The fourth commandment of the Ten Commandments is “Do not work on the Sabbath.” (The Sabbath is the seventh day of the week, which for us is Saturday.)

        As Ethan says, Ethan and his family are ethnic Jews but not religious Jews. That means that they have religious Jews in their ancestry many generations ago ut they no longer practice the religion of Judaism. However, religious and even ethnic Jews have been persecuted throughout history, largely by Christians. Historical Jesus/Jeshua expected that when Ethan said “I am a Jew”, he meant that he was a religious Jew who did not work on Saturday; this is not the case.

        Leslie is a lesbian. Her family are fundamentalist Christians. One thing that many fundamentalist Christians do is hate a lot of things (like lesbians) and use their religious beliefs to justify that hatred. Leslie has mentioned before is that because her family are fundamentalist Christians, and because she grew up being taught fundamentalist Christianity, it made her hate herself as a lesbian, and her family also hated her for the same reason. This makes Leslie sad . . . and angry.

        Now: most people believe that the man named Jeshua actually existed, and we call him the Historical Jesus. Christians (especially fundamentalist Christians) believe that Jesus was also the Son of God and performed miracles, died for our sins, etc. Non-Christians do not believe that this view of Mythical Christian Jesus existed. Leslie does not agree with or believe the fundamentalist Christian upbringing which she had, so she does not believe in the Mythical Christian Jesus. However, it also appears that she does not believe in Historical Jesus either.

        The joke is that Ethan mentioned to Historical Jesus/Jeshua that both religious and ethnic Jews have been persecuted, often by Christians. Leslie had a Christian upbringing. And now Leslie is going to kick Historical Jesus/Jeshua’s ass (because she does not believe that he is really the Historical Jesus). Historical Jesus/Jeshua is a Jew. And Christians have kicked the Jews’ asses for centuries, which is what Christian-by-upbringing Leslie is about to do to religious Jew Historical Jesus/Jeshua.

        I have now dissected this joke to death, but at least I hope a non-native English speaker can understand it. :-)

      • asheswillfall
        asheswillfall
        March 7, 2012 at 8:33 am | # | Reply

        If we can help with any questions you have let us know. I thought Lent was more of a Catholic thing? By the way, you have a great sense of good characters. Love martian manhunter

        • Platonix
          Platonix
          March 7, 2012 at 10:52 am | # | Reply

          The impression I have is that any Christian denomination recognizes the existance of Lent, but Catholics are the most serious about its traditional observance.

        • Osaru Sensei
          Osaru Sensei
          March 8, 2012 at 8:07 am | # | Reply

          A wise policy.

          Whenever I read anything DC Comics (imported english original), I hear Carl Lumbly as Martian Manhunter.

          Tut TBH, I’m more of a Dick Grayson person myself.

    • begbert2
      begbert2
      March 7, 2012 at 11:03 am | # | Reply

      What are the odds? 100%. It’s already happened people.

      …Sorry. I sometimes get a bit twitchy about misunderstood statistic memes.

  9. timemonkey
    timemonkey
    March 7, 2012 at 12:05 am | # | Reply

    I WAS RIGHT!

  10. Doctor_Who
    Doctor_Who
    March 7, 2012 at 12:06 am | # | Reply

    Ethan works on Saturday?! But that’s a holy day for him!

    Transformers Prime is on!

    • Plasma Mongoose
      Plasma Mongoose
      March 7, 2012 at 12:13 am | # | Reply

      As he said, Ethan doesn’t claim to be Jewish by faith, only by ethnicity.

      • Doctor_Who
        Doctor_Who
        March 7, 2012 at 12:38 am | # | Reply

        The joke was that his “faith” is Transformers.

        I need to stop trying to be funny this late at night.

    • mechaqua
      mechaqua
      March 7, 2012 at 12:18 am | # | Reply

      Transformers Prime is on in the morning so as long as he works after noon he isn’t violating any commandments.

      • Platonix
        Platonix
        March 7, 2012 at 10:53 am | # | Reply

        Besides, those commandments were made before the advent of DVR. It’s high time they were revised.

  11. Jimmy
    Jimmy
    March 7, 2012 at 12:06 am | # | Reply

    Come on Leslie let’s be reasonable here, if you’re going to use the F word, go for the gold!

  12. dchorror
    dchorror
    March 7, 2012 at 12:06 am | # | Reply

    For what?

    “Existing!”

  13. Chiatroll
    Chiatroll
    March 7, 2012 at 12:11 am | # | Reply

    As an educated die hard anti-theist atheist myself I’m still confused by what is pissing leslie off. I don’t believe religion is healthy and I don’t believe in believing in things you lack established evidence to some degree of but I don’t see a motivation to kick some guys ass for supposedly being jesus.

    I also don’t believe in a historical jesus in any way or scope of what the bible said for complete lack of first hand account for him to the point where the silence itself says something. I Don’t get why she is pissed off though.

    I’d want to find out specifically whats going on but I take things by the evidence I have. Evidence doesn’t piss me off.

    • Xartarin
      Xartarin
      March 7, 2012 at 12:13 am | # | Reply

      Maybe she intends to pretend Jesus’ face is Malaya during said ass-kicking

    • Tristan J
      Tristan J
      March 7, 2012 at 12:34 am | # | Reply

      I’m really having trouble understanding why people are confused by why Leslie is getting so angry over something silly, even aside from the whole ‘my parents hate me because of Jesus’ thing.

      I mean, I’ve gotten enraged by people misusing the word ‘literally’. Sometimes people saying stupid things will piss you off more than is reasonable.

      • fellixe
        fellixe
        March 7, 2012 at 12:48 am | # | Reply

        Hate to break it to you but that may not be as common as you seem to think it is.

        • Tristan J
          Tristan J
          March 7, 2012 at 1:05 am | # | Reply

          Yeah, I suppose I’d need evidence backing up my claim. Like, you know, a comic that’s been running for seven years that collects instances of people being pissy of stupid shit.

        • gangler
          gangler
          March 7, 2012 at 5:32 am | # | Reply

          People getting upset in an irrational manner is less common than Tristan J seems to think it is. That’s the angle you’re gonna go with that is it?

      • markski
        markski
        March 7, 2012 at 12:56 am | # | Reply

        Probably because Leslie is usually a lot more even-keeled than that. It’s unusual for her, if not for most of the other cast members.

        Personally, I’m enjoying seeing this new side of her. Can’t wait to see what happens next.

        • Tristan J
          Tristan J
          March 7, 2012 at 1:06 am | # | Reply

          True. It’s certainly fun watching her go.

    • Platonix
      Platonix
      March 7, 2012 at 10:57 am | # | Reply

      It was mentioned several times in yesterday’s comments that Jesus is basically the Face of Christianity, and thus the face of the persecution of homosexuals. (Not that Jesus himself ever actually said anything about homosexuals, but logic seldom has any place in discussion of religious matters.)

  14. Wafflemaster
    Wafflemaster
    March 7, 2012 at 12:11 am | # | Reply

    Ohh god yes i would pay for this.

  15. Janette
    Janette
    March 7, 2012 at 12:13 am | # | Reply

    Just keeps getting better.

  16. lawzlo
    lawzlo
    March 7, 2012 at 12:14 am | # | Reply

    Are we about to learn Historical Jesus’ views on the Epistles of Paul? Because that sounds like some good (and controversial) times.

    • Zap Rowsdower
      Zap Rowsdower
      March 7, 2012 at 12:17 am | # | Reply

      Is that the one where the (accused) antisemetism and misogynist stuff comes from, as I’ve heard, or did I mishear as I usually do?

      • lawzlo
        lawzlo
        March 7, 2012 at 12:23 am | # | Reply

        A bunch of the misogynist and homophobic stuff comes from Paul (although there’s plenty in the Old Testament too), although I don’t think you can really call Paul antisemitic (he was Jewish, although he was more in favor of Christianity as a new religion breaking away from a lot of the Jewish traditions, as opposed to Peter and some of the other early Christians).

        • David Willis
          David Willis
          March 7, 2012 at 12:24 am | # | Reply

          Half of Paul wasn’t even written by Paul.

          • lawzlo
            lawzlo
            March 7, 2012 at 12:36 am | # | Reply

            True, but if he wrote even 50% of what is credited to him, then that puts him way, way ahead of virtually any of the other people cited as authors of the various parts of the Bible.

          • Doom Shepherd
            Doom Shepherd
            March 7, 2012 at 1:45 am | # | Reply

            Plus the man was a tax collector and not even an apostle. That he gets taken seriously by anyone makes me feel all stabby.

            • Historyman68
              Historyman68
              March 7, 2012 at 2:36 am | # | Reply

              Tax collectors are people too!

            • Matt
              Matt
              March 7, 2012 at 2:50 am | # | Reply

              Admittedly, I’m not much of a Biblical scholar, but isn’t the whole point of Paul’s story the fact that he was a tax collector, but converted after God blinded him?

            • lawzlo
              lawzlo
              March 7, 2012 at 4:15 am | # | Reply

              I thought that Matthew was the tax collector…

            • David Willis
              David Willis
              March 7, 2012 at 11:30 am | # | Reply

              Matthew was the tax collector. Paul (well, Saul) was a Pharisee and tent-maker.

              • Doom Shepherd
                Doom Shepherd
                March 7, 2012 at 3:12 pm | # | Reply

                Okay, I don’t know where I got the idea that he was a tax collector. I know I read it somewhere, but I see now that it isn’t so.

                F&$@.

                I still think he was a jerk, (or at least, a lot of jerkish stuff has been attributed to him), and I don’t buy his conversion story. Sounds like the kind of thing you’d make up if you were trying to subvert a religion for your own ends.

        • Azundris
          Azundris
          March 7, 2012 at 2:52 am | # | Reply

          lol, I just scrolled through the page and saw “Paul” and “misogynist”, so I first thought you meant Ron ~.

          • Historyman68
            Historyman68
            March 7, 2012 at 3:09 am | # | Reply

            Heh

          • lawzlo
            lawzlo
            March 7, 2012 at 4:17 am | # | Reply

            Not to mention the phrase “tax collector.”

            • Zap Rowsdower
              Zap Rowsdower
              March 7, 2012 at 10:51 am | # | Reply

              But doesn’t that phrase cause Ron Paul to burst into flames?

    • TJ Baltimore
      TJ Baltimore
      March 7, 2012 at 7:55 am | # | Reply

      Can we vote on this, because I vote “YEA!” to lawzlo’s idea here . . .

  17. Trae Dorn
    Trae Dorn
    March 7, 2012 at 12:16 am | # | Reply

    Ethan’s short collar is wise.

  18. Timinane
    Timinane
    March 7, 2012 at 12:18 am | # | Reply

    Is Shortpacked! hiring I want to kick Jesus ass as well.
    Plus how does historical Jesus know when the Sabbath is we have a whole new calender now. I don’t think Jesus had leap years.

    • Dierna
      Dierna
      March 7, 2012 at 12:20 am | # | Reply

      Jesus had leap years. Caesar invented it in like 56 bc

      • Dierna
        Dierna
        March 7, 2012 at 12:22 am | # | Reply

        Woops! I mean 45 bc

    • Adar II
      Adar II
      March 7, 2012 at 12:24 am | # | Reply

      Considering that Jesus grew up in Roman-ruled Judaea, historical Jesus was probably aware of leap years.

      Besides, the Jewish calendar has a seven-day week, too. I imagine he figured out that Saturday is Shabbat when he, you know, learned English.

    • Stikibunn
      Stikibunn
      March 7, 2012 at 5:42 pm | # | Reply

      You could ask “Why does Jeshua also know how to speak English, turn on a light switch, read a roster” He’s been taught these things, that’s how.

  19. Dierna
    Dierna
    March 7, 2012 at 12:18 am | # | Reply

    So if Ethan is only an ethnical Jew does that mean he gets to eat bacon…or lobster??

    • Zap Rowsdower
      Zap Rowsdower
      March 7, 2012 at 12:21 am | # | Reply

      Speaking as another ethnic Jew… only if he can get past the guilt, and get to like it at a young age. Its really an acquired taste, I’ve found.

      • Tristan J
        Tristan J
        March 7, 2012 at 12:35 am | # | Reply

        Lobster or bacon?

        • Zap Rowsdower
          Zap Rowsdower
          March 7, 2012 at 12:44 am | # | Reply

          Bacon, mostly, though lobster to a lesser extent.

          Its easier to convince yourself to overcome the guilt and eat something when its considered extravagant, especially when somebody else is buying.

          • Tristan J
            Tristan J
            March 7, 2012 at 1:43 am | # | Reply

            Really? I always thought lobster would be harder to get used to than pork. Lobster (or crayfish, but I’m assuming they taste the same here) always had a stronger flavour to me.

            Then again I grew up with very English grandparents, who would serve huge, meaty meals at the drop of a hat.

            • Historyman68
              Historyman68
              March 7, 2012 at 3:52 am | # | Reply

              Oh, they taste waaaay different. At least, they’re usually prepared differently, with different seasonings.

        • Zuche
          Zuche
          March 7, 2012 at 1:00 am | # | Reply

          Guilt. It’s like the garlic butter of the conscience.

  20. Colin W.
    Colin W.
    March 7, 2012 at 1:57 am | # | Reply

    just wait until Sekmet shows up, and hangs out with Mike, I mean she does turn from all death destruction, mass murder and war into all nice when drunk….

  21. MichaelHaneline
    MichaelHaneline
    March 7, 2012 at 1:59 am | # | Reply

    Hey Willis, I just want you to know, I’ve been getting kind of uneasy about the direction this comic has going since Jesus appeared… until this page.

    This page leads me to believe that everything is going to be awesome.

    • Matt
      Matt
      March 7, 2012 at 2:52 am | # | Reply

      I’m with you. I kind of thought this was controversy for controversy’s sake. Maybe some sort of mad attempt to get the most insane comment section on a webcomic. But as long as the J-Man’s just going to be around for jokes, then maybe we’ll make it through this all right.

  22. Acher4
    Acher4
    March 7, 2012 at 3:17 am | # | Reply

    …
    and the fight is on!

    Why do I believe that Willis had this fight planned from the time he introduced Leslie. hehe

    • Doctor_Who
      Doctor_Who
      March 7, 2012 at 8:10 am | # | Reply

      Even before she had a name. Back when he was drawing some nameless blonde lady working the checkout at a supermarket, he was thinking “This chick should totally fight Jesus later on.”

  23. sun tzu
    sun tzu
    March 7, 2012 at 4:14 am | # | Reply

    Stay good, Leslie! Stay good!

  24. LiC
    LiC
    March 7, 2012 at 5:30 am | # | Reply

    Hey… threatening to beat up another person who’s done nothing wrong, just cuz he may or may not be Jesus. That’s a perfectly healthy reaction there Leslie. o_O

    Remember when she used to be the “nice one” in the group?

    • Doctor_Who
      Doctor_Who
      March 7, 2012 at 8:11 am | # | Reply

      Working for Galasso will slowly suck the humanity out from you.

      Lord knows what it will do to Jesus. If he ends up selling CPRs, the world might actually end.

      • begbert2
        begbert2
        March 7, 2012 at 3:29 pm | # | Reply

        Selling CPRs, asking for tithing on threat of damnation…are you sure he’d find the concept foreign?

  25. AJBulldis
    AJBulldis
    March 7, 2012 at 5:36 am | # | Reply

    I always wondered what the deal was with ethnic but non-practicing Jews. Though I guess it is possible that it’s a bit more complicated than a webcomic makes it look.

    • Bill M.
      Bill M.
      March 7, 2012 at 11:43 am | # | Reply

      Well, the persecution suffered under the Crusades & the Inquisition (not just the Spanish one, which you didn’t expect), was where the ethnic (or cultural) Jews did a major split from the religious Jews. Also this isn’t the first webcomic to deal with it, but I don’t have that particular segment from “And Shine Heaven Now” where the webcomic artist dealt with it during her weekend strips.

  26. Kelvin
    Kelvin
    March 7, 2012 at 5:37 am | # | Reply

    I hope I’m not the only one thinking this, but how do you think this Jesus will feel about all of the gay people in this strip?

    Also, LESLIE VS JESUS~! THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!

    • LiC
      LiC
      March 7, 2012 at 6:35 am | # | Reply

      Considering the fact I’m pretty sure Jesus himself was never quoted as saying anything negative about homosexuality, and the fact he was constantly preaching the ideas of being kind to other people and loving thy neighbors and how we shouldn’t judge, I’m going to go on a limb and say he’ll either be indifferent or he’ll be pretty cool about it.

      • AJBulldis
        AJBulldis
        March 7, 2012 at 7:56 am | # | Reply

        Jesus also fully affirmed what we now call the Old Testament. And “judge not lest ye be judged” wasn’t a command not to judge; it was a warning that you will be held to the standards that you hold others at.

        • LiC
          LiC
          March 7, 2012 at 12:59 pm | # | Reply

          Jesus protected a woman who was supposed prostitute from the violent judgement of an angry crowd. He did so by telling them not to judge her, due to the fact that everyone has various things that can be judged about them (not necessarily the same thing). Isn’t that teaching not to pass judgement on others as a whole? After all, most people don’t view a prostitute as good career goal, but Jesus was still asking people to not judge or harm the girl and to put down the rocks.

          • David Willis
            David Willis
            March 7, 2012 at 1:18 pm | # | Reply

            He also told her to stop being a prostitute immediately thereafter. “Go and sin no more.”

            (Also, that story’s authenticity is in doubt. It’s not there in the earliest versions of the gospels we have, plus it’s written in a different style.)

            • LiC
              LiC
              March 8, 2012 at 9:51 pm | # | Reply

              True, but he still told everyone else to not stone her because she was a prostitute or adulteress.

              Yeah, I’ve heard a lot of people question the validity of the story, not to mention much of the bible as a whole. I’ve always been a bit fascinated to know what the original-original text would have been like.

          • Brendan
            Brendan
            March 7, 2012 at 1:53 pm | # | Reply

            She wasn’t a prostitute. If she were a prostitute, she’d have been in no trouble, since fidelity was only legally expected of women. The text calls her an “adulteress,” but the fact that she’s being stoned alone suggests that her “crime” was probably lacking a hymen after marriage.

            • Brendan
              Brendan
              March 7, 2012 at 1:55 pm | # | Reply

              Wait, no, I’m wrong. The Bible says specifically she was caught in flagrante delicto, but she certainly wasn’t a prostitute, which is the point.

              • Zap Rowsdower
                Zap Rowsdower
                March 7, 2012 at 6:34 pm | # | Reply

                She was caught speaking French?

                That’s not easy to do when the only Romance language was Latin.

          • Laura
            Laura
            March 7, 2012 at 8:22 pm | # | Reply

            Adultress. Slightly different that a prostitute. Same difference for the message, though.

        • Doom Shepherd
          Doom Shepherd
          March 7, 2012 at 2:58 pm | # | Reply

          Jesus FULLY affirmed the Old Testament?
          Then why can Christians eat pork?

          • begbert2
            begbert2
            March 7, 2012 at 3:32 pm | # | Reply

            Because that’s not really marketable, and Paul was all about the marketability.

            What, you thought Christianity is all Christ’s doing?

          • Plasma Mongoose
            Plasma Mongoose
            March 7, 2012 at 4:29 pm | # | Reply

            The church I went to as a kid recommends ovo vegetarianism but also states that if you do eat meat, it should be only the ‘clean’ meats and not things like pork, eel or octopus.

            • Plasma Mongoose
              Plasma Mongoose
              March 7, 2012 at 4:32 pm | # | Reply

              I meant Ovo-lacto vegetarianism.

          • Laura
            Laura
            March 7, 2012 at 8:21 pm | # | Reply

            Because Paul…shoot, was it Paul? It may have been Peter. I think it was Peter. Whatevs. Anyway, he had a vision about seeing a whole bunch of unkosher (non-kosher?) food and hearing a voice telling him to eat, and he was all like “Nuh-uh, I’m a good Jew, and I only eat kosher” and the voice said: “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.” So there’s that.

            There’s also Jesus’s take on the whole cup-washing thing. That is, it isn’t what you put into your mouth that makes the soul unclean, but rather, what comes out of it.

            • Zap Rowsdower
              Zap Rowsdower
              March 7, 2012 at 10:07 pm | # | Reply

              Which really doesn’t make much sense, when you think about it. Its saying that either God changed his mind, or that the Old Testament, the parts explicitly calling things unclean, wasn’t written by God as it claims, which just throws ALL KINDS of monkey wrenches into things…

              • Warlock
                Warlock
                March 7, 2012 at 10:29 pm | # | Reply

                There’s a fair bit of evidence that the early kosher laws were more for the sake of avoiding foods they had little to no way to properly handle and keep sanitary, thus they styled the laws to avoid the whole mess altogether. (Not a ton, but I’ve seen/heard a few things. My stepdad is Orthodox-Jewish, keeping full kosher, with the exception that everything my mother (a non-jew) cooks/touches is non-kosher, by some standards.)

                Modern conveniences and industry standards change a lot of that, but the laws are already set. Makes it hard to change, especially with the rabbinical establishment who have no need or desire to do so.

                • StClair
                  StClair
                  March 7, 2012 at 10:54 pm | #

                  Exactly. Kosher = “don’t eat stuff that will make people living in a desert without refrigeration etc horribly sick.” The Shinto prohibitions against handling blood, excrement etc are similarly practical. Both are basically pre-germ-theory hygiene regimens dressed up in a form that people will remember and pass along.

                • Zap Rowsdower
                  Zap Rowsdower
                  March 7, 2012 at 11:10 pm | #

                  Really? Huh. My dad’s orthodox and I went to a private hebrew day school for half a decade, and I never learned it beyond “purity”; also, it specifically says cloven hooves and cud only, which to me says more economic decision about not keeping animals that compete with you and only keeping grass-eaters, but that’s just my guess. Not sure how pork is any harder to make jerky or whatever than beef…

                  Also, one flaw in this argument is that I’m pretty sure that Judea 2000 years ago wasn’t all that much better than Judea 3000 years ago, refrigeration-wise.

              • Anonymous
                Anonymous
                March 8, 2012 at 1:24 am | # | Reply

                There are multiple episodes of the Biblical Jesus explicitly addressing the topic of Sabbath keeping. As I recall, the common thread in all of these involves Jesus’characterization of some tenets of the contemporary priestly oral tradition as secular in origin, and hypocritical. However, I do not recall any instance of him indicating that the Sabbath should not be observed as outlined in the Torah. I imagine even Luke’s Jesus would take issue with a Jew routinely performing wage labor on that day.

        • Laura
          Laura
          March 7, 2012 at 8:24 pm | # | Reply

          But when asked to sum up all of the laws into the one greatest law, Jesus said the greatest law was: “You shall love the Lord, your God, with all your heart and with all your soul.” And that the second greatest was to “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

          Doesn’t leave a whole lot of room for hate.

          • Zap Rowsdower
            Zap Rowsdower
            March 7, 2012 at 10:08 pm | # | Reply

            The trick is to fudge the definition of “neighbor” until it only counts the people you’d have loved anyway.

            • Azundris
              Azundris
              March 7, 2012 at 11:57 pm | # | Reply

              It also pretty much gives you a carte blanche if you hate yourself?

  27. Furie
    Furie
    March 7, 2012 at 6:17 am | # | Reply

    Oh Les, don’t fall for the shite you’ve been fed all your life. Don’t visit the sins of the father (and the unbelievable amount of people who follow his every drunken word) on the son. The guy hung out with twelve guys and a single hooker. Do the math and you’ll find he’s more on your side than you think.

  28. Crumplepunch
    Crumplepunch
    March 7, 2012 at 6:46 am | # | Reply

    Leslie’s antics are poorly thought out and slightly scary.

    But damn, she gets all the best lines.

    • Doctor_Who
      Doctor_Who
      March 7, 2012 at 8:12 am | # | Reply

      You can say that again.

  29. Crumplepunch
    Crumplepunch
    March 7, 2012 at 6:46 am | # | Reply

    Leslie’s antics are poorly thought out and slightly scary.

    But damn, she gets all the best lines.

    • Doctor_Who
      Doctor_Who
      March 7, 2012 at 8:13 am | # | Reply

      You can say…wait a sec. Anyone else getting deja vu?

  30. Crumplepunch
    Crumplepunch
    March 7, 2012 at 6:46 am | # | Reply

    Leslie’s antics are poorly thought out and slightly scary.

    But damn, she gets all the best lines.

    • Doctor_Who
      Doctor_Who
      March 7, 2012 at 8:14 am | # | Reply

      ::Hits Tardis console with a hammer::

      There, that should fix it.

      • asheswillfall
        asheswillfall
        March 7, 2012 at 8:25 am | # | Reply

        looks like it did! The Doctor saves the day again!

        • Tristan J
          Tristan J
          March 7, 2012 at 9:28 am | # | Reply

          Man, if these fandom is good at one thing, it’s making doubleposts funny.

          (If it’s good at two things, it’s making doubleposts funny and making puns on various terms for breasts)

          • begbert2
            begbert2
            March 7, 2012 at 3:34 pm | # | Reply

            Hey, check out the double-posts on her!

      • Captain_Cadaver
        Captain_Cadaver
        March 7, 2012 at 6:23 pm | # | Reply

        OH MY GOSH. By the time I scrolled through every comment on this page. THIS. THIS. SO very rarely have I LOL’d. LITERALLY.

  31. JT
    JT
    March 7, 2012 at 7:36 am | # | Reply

    Jesus will just keep saying he forgives her, keeps turning the other cheek, and she goes and hangs herself when she realizes what a bitch she’s being.

    Nah, just kidding. Willis will make it wacky antics.

  32. coobee
    coobee
    March 7, 2012 at 7:45 am | # | Reply

    Jesus = Captain Haddock.

    Can’t unsee.

    • Tenn
      Tenn
      March 7, 2012 at 8:22 am | # | Reply

      I was going to say that. Blistering barnacles!

      • Pier
        Pier
        March 7, 2012 at 10:27 am | # | Reply

        ..and with Ethan being the tintin, oh the possibilites!!

        http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/035/9/9/199_by_maggot_queen-d4op15a.png

        (..cant unsee!! :P )

      • Pier
        Pier
        March 7, 2012 at 10:31 am | # | Reply

        ..no, wait:

        http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/345/4/2/the_massage_by_maidith-d4isbxm.jpg

  33. Wack'd
    Wack'd
    March 7, 2012 at 8:14 am | # | Reply

    There’s a small part of me that’s thinking Leslie took what Robin said about her subpar wacky hijinks to heart (for whatever reason) and figured “what’s wackier than trying to beat up Jesus?”

  34. T Campbell
    T Campbell
    March 7, 2012 at 8:36 am | # | Reply

    Sometimes, I have to admit, I’m a little disappointed that what seems so clear to me isn’t clear at all to other readers.

    This story could’ve begun with David saying to himself– “You know, Leslie never REALLY loses her temper, not like the other cast members do. I’ve certainly put her through as much shit as any of them by now– either of her two breakups alone would’ve made most people Hulk out– but her essential kindness always stops her from taking out her anger on another human being. Is there ANYTHING that can get to her?”

    The one thing that has CONSTANTLY been a chink in Leslie’s armor is Christianity. This has been the case since the character’s earliest days. Every time it comes up, it’s clear she’s angry or at least eager to change the subject. And really, guys, how could any of you miss that Leslie’s folks disowned her due to their particular brand of Christianity? It’s ALL OVER Leslie’s last storyline.

    • T Campbell
      T Campbell
      March 7, 2012 at 8:49 am | # | Reply

      In short, this isn’t gonna work if you try to follow Leslie’s “reasoning,” since, stitching the last two strips together, she’s basically saying “I’MO PUNCH YOU BECAUSE YOU DON’T EVEN EXIST!!”

      • Tristan J
        Tristan J
        March 7, 2012 at 9:33 am | # | Reply

        Thank you. I’ve been trying to say that for the past two strips.

        Also, I like the idea that Leslie can’t get mad at people, but she can get mad at Jesus because to her he’s an intangible concept.

    • Laura
      Laura
      March 7, 2012 at 8:16 pm | # | Reply

      It’s like My Little Pony–every pony has her beserk button, the one thing that’ll make her snap. Some ponies, like Rainbow Dash, have it set on high, but every now and again, even Fluttershy’s got to go crazy.

      • James
        James
        March 7, 2012 at 8:25 pm | # | Reply

        I take it you saw last week episode?

        • StClair
          StClair
          March 7, 2012 at 10:58 pm | # | Reply

          I pity the fool who hasn’t!

  35. hothotpot
    hothotpot
    March 7, 2012 at 8:37 am | # | Reply

    That’s a pretty good reason to identify as ethnically Jewish!

    • Zap Rowsdower
      Zap Rowsdower
      March 7, 2012 at 6:39 pm | # | Reply

      Well, that and the official dogma that if your mother was Jewish, regardless of what you practice, you are technically a Jew. Everything else is how [i]faithful[/i] a Jew you are. Technically speaking, if you ask a Hassid, there are several self-identifying Christians who are actually Jews in denial (this part makes the dogmatic Jews very unpopular).

      • Zap Rowsdower
        Zap Rowsdower
        March 7, 2012 at 7:17 pm | # | Reply

        Wait, not Chassid, Labuvich. Maybe Chassid too, but the ones who taught me the “no escape” thing were all Labuvich.

        And no, I’m not expecting anybody else to know what I’m talking about, but better safe then sorry, don’t want to offend.

  36. lordphulish
    lordphulish
    March 7, 2012 at 8:41 am | # | Reply

    I think Historical Jesus and Mike should get drunk together. Also, how long till the whole gospel of Ethan business comes up?

    • Alex Stritar
      Alex Stritar
      March 7, 2012 at 4:41 pm | # | Reply

      Never. We all agreed to never talk about that agien.

  37. Black Bumblebee
    Black Bumblebee
    March 7, 2012 at 9:12 am | # | Reply

    Am I the only one who thinks that Historical Jesus looks like Billy Mays?

    • Zap Rowsdower
      Zap Rowsdower
      March 7, 2012 at 10:29 am | # | Reply

      Nonsense. Historical Jesus’ polo shirt is green, not sky-blue.

  38. Arkadi
    Arkadi
    March 7, 2012 at 9:38 am | # | Reply

    …AND CHEW BUBBLEGUM!!

    • Arkadi
      Arkadi
      March 7, 2012 at 9:40 am | # | Reply

      I can’t believe no one beat me to that ^^

  39. Matt Boyd
    Matt Boyd
    March 7, 2012 at 1:30 pm | # | Reply

    “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.”

    “Oh, good one. I’m going to write that down.”

  40. Arkadi
    Arkadi
    March 7, 2012 at 3:57 pm | # | Reply

    Hmm. In the last panel, Ethan seems to be implying that Leslie’s attitude is somehow anti-semitic? Big FAIL, Ethan, how can you miss the point so spectacularly?

    Oh well, I guess that’s the joke.

    • begbert2
      begbert2
      March 7, 2012 at 8:49 pm | # | Reply

      Forget that, he’s also implying that she’s going to fail to wipe Jesus off the face of the earth. The man is wrong on *all* counts.

      • Arkadi
        Arkadi
        March 8, 2012 at 2:48 pm | # | Reply

        Yeah. Don’t take up betting Ethan, you’d suck at it. Stick to blowing your money on toys :c

  41. NathanS
    NathanS
    March 7, 2012 at 5:45 pm | # | Reply

    Look Ethan, Passover is coming up invite him over for the Seder. You’ll get Farshikkert, it’ll be a good time!

    • Zap Rowsdower
      Zap Rowsdower
      March 7, 2012 at 6:33 pm | # | Reply

      As long as he doesn’t try to make the matzos unkosher again. Flour and water only for kosher matzos, darnit! A little egg maybe to make it palatable to the kiddies, but metaphoric messiah flesh means you have to open another box of the stuff and start the blessings over again!

  42. johannhowitzer
    johannhowitzer
    March 7, 2012 at 7:01 pm | # | Reply

    Real Jesus wouldn’t be surprised by Leslie. Fifth panel is proof, this guy’s fake.

    • begbert2
      begbert2
      March 7, 2012 at 8:44 pm | # | Reply

      That’s not surprise, that’s Oh Self the Gentiles are after me again! I remember last time! Which is absolutely the reaction I’d expect from Historical Jesus, and Real Jesus too if he’s not a masochist.

      • StClair
        StClair
        March 7, 2012 at 11:01 pm | # | Reply

        I remember this part and it sucked.

  43. Professor Pythagoras
    Professor Pythagoras
    March 7, 2012 at 7:50 pm | # | Reply

    Oh gods, Leslie is me right now.

  44. James
    James
    March 7, 2012 at 8:23 pm | # | Reply

    Jesus is about to layith the Sabbath down, on Leslie’s heathen candy ass.
    ( IF YOUUUUUUUUUU SMMMMMMMMMMMMMEEEEEEEELLLLLLLL WHAT THE MESSHIA……IS…..COOKING) ;P

  45. begbert2
    begbert2
    March 7, 2012 at 8:48 pm | # | Reply

    Wait, the nametags, the schedule, the timecards and the paper on the posting board – Shortpacked! is a print-free universe, isn’t it? Any text smaller than a foot tall simply doesn’t exist!

  46. Charles Phipps
    Charles Phipps
    March 7, 2012 at 8:49 pm | # | Reply

    I admit a bit of confusion, Jesus was the guy who came up with the fact it’s okay to work on the Sabbath. Admittedly, it was doing good works that was permitted.

    • Jetstream
      Jetstream
      March 9, 2012 at 12:49 am | # | Reply

      Yeah but he said that if you’re a Jew and you’re gonna follow the Law, then you should follow ALL the laws to the letter. Even the ones that aren’t practical… and the crazy ones.

      Otherwise ditch ‘em and accept Christ as your savior.

  47. VigilanteMark
    VigilanteMark
    March 7, 2012 at 9:43 pm | # | Reply

    We know that Historical Jesus is still learning English, so I’m having fun thinking about all the weird images he must’ve conjured up while trying to make sense of Ethan’s slang (“flip the bird”).

    • StClair
      StClair
      March 7, 2012 at 11:05 pm | # | Reply

      Tex Avery did it back in 1951, with a new arrival at the Pearly Gates telling his life story to a rather bewildered Peter.

      Symphony in Slang

  48. Maycroft
    Maycroft
    March 9, 2012 at 9:18 am | # | Reply

    Leslie is now Chuck Norris.

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