I absolutely love Snkrs’ tiny Optimus mask. Especially because it looks even more like Batman.
I was going to make a quip about the rights of all hamhams, but I couldn’t find the quote in time. Alas, I am NOT a Transfan(TM).
As of now, a “transfan” as a straight, vanilla person who is deeply appreciative of transgendered people.
That is all.
I came here to say both of those points.
Does Snkrs have a little batarang too? That’d be awesome.
Yup, that was going to be my comment too. That is just soooo cute.
I want to know where they got a mask that size.
Snkrs+cinemask= teh funny.
Too bad the shock of all that 3-D action will probably kill the little guy.
At least dem hams gets to see one last BIG ROBOT MOVIE! =(
Oh how delightfully meta.
Indeed. I never thought I’d use “Amber” and “reader stand-in” in the same sentence, until now.
I agree with Alice. This is about how I feel. “Robin, Leslie – the two of you are making it difficult to be sympathetic to you at all anymore.”
Really? I’m having no problem at all sympathizing with Leslie.
Really? That’s… nice. *pat on head =P *
What’s NOT sympathetic about Leslie?
She’s got a thing for “edgy rebels” (I think it’s an honesty thing for her – she likes people who say what they think, and tact be damned). This has led her to fall in love with…well, with someone who has acted in an incredibly inconsiderate manner more than once. Leslie’s tried to do what’s best at every turn, and got burned again and again.
I CAN feel a bit sorry for Robin, too, but in her case she’s pretty much dug her own grave.
Well, basically, thing here is – it’s becoming very clear that even though she hasn’t said it, Robin absolutely -loves- Leslie. She just hasn’t taken the time to sit down, admit it to herself, and think out what changes it’s going to take to keep proving it to Les’ until she believes and trusts her, and no longer has to keep on proving herself that way. Robin’s lack of introspection is very much hurting her cause, here. Especially since just after they finished massive sexings was the best time to say it. =\ Cripes, I’m a guy who’s had to go through years of working with other people just to get sensitive enough to pick up on that sort of thing myself, and -I- can see she missed a huge chance to get things started on the road to making things better between them. And I guess it’s hard for me to continue sympathizing with Leslie because now she’s just willfully running headlong down this path. So it’s hard not to look at both of them, throw my hands up, cry “Oy gevalt!” and just walk away. These two need to see a couples’ therapist already. >.<
If love were enough to make a relationship work then we’d all live in a fairy tail romantic comedy staring Luke Wilson.
Leslie is just acting like a seriously burned individual, here. She loves Robin, so much that it hurts her when things aren’t going well for them. And due to their current situation, she’s feeling a lot of pain, especially right now, after their afternoon sexy times.
Why wouldn’t she be feeling a little touchy and want to subject Robin to some of that? Yes, it’s not the smartest thing to do overall, but she quoted as much at the end of that, anyway. “Who needs emotionl health”, indeed, Leslie. She wants Robin enough to throw away any healing she’s done, even knowing that they weren’t ready to get back together.
She loves Robin. Robin (likely) loves her. When you are happy, you love makes it better. When you hurt, your love only makes it worse. Confused, hurt, and flailing for emotional stability, why wouldn’t Leslie want to share her pain?
Love is enough. Most of us just don’t know what love is. And that love doesn’t let go, no matter what, and that it ALWAYS considers the beloved above the lover.
I don’t sympathize with Leslie, AT ALL.
She loves Robin for the same reason she is dumping her.
(being a “rebel”, hyperactive girl)
And in the mid-time, instead of trying to understand her feelings towards Robin (which are all mixed up), she decides to go an date same who is JUST LIKE ROBIN, and what worse, she does it IN FRONT OF ROBIN!
That’s beyond super-dickery if you ask me.
If you want to hurt yourself, then it’s nobody else problem. But hurting someone “you love” (and that has proven his love for you) without any consideration is selfish as f***.
She is being even more selfish than Robin.
You can’t live your life letting the feelings of others dictate when and how you get to move on with your life, or even how you get to repeat old mistakes with new people.
First of all, I agree wholeheartedly with what you’re saying. Second, Robin isn’t a “he” last time I checked. Third, mean time not “mid time.”
What’s NOT sympathetic about Leslie?
She’s ruining everyone’s shipping grids.
I get why it would be hard to sympathise with Robin buy why is it hard to sympathise with Leslie?
possibly because not everyone, including myself, puts themselves far enough into the story to just look at what Leslie knows about Malaya and consider her actions merely putting herself as risk as a real person must do to enter into a relationship. I’m intentionally that way, maybe others are to, maybe some just can’t stop knowing what they know.
The end result though is we know Malaya is not worth Leslie’s time, she’s making a fool of herself, she’s hurting Robin and is aware she’s hurting Robin, while Robin wasn’t aware she was hurting Leslie
Eh, they’re acting like people. It’s hard for me not to sympathize with any of Willis’ characters, with a few exceptions like Mike or Sydney Yus for what are hopefully obvious reasons.
I sympathize with any character that is compelled by the needs of the story to keep engaging in behaviour that is not in their best interests.
Not so much sympathy for the characters that engage in behaviour that should not be in their best interests but always ends up better for them than for more sensible characters.
Really? She’s kind of always struck me as the reader stand-in.
Yeah, first few years of the strip I’d say Amber and Ethan were pretty reliable reader stand-ins, probably Amber more because she was less likely to get involved with crazy antics than Ethan at first.
It’s really mostly context, though. Ethan’s usually the one reacting to the crazy Transfans. Next to Robin, most people seem reasonable (except Malaya, I guess?)
Well, at least snkrs is enjoying the movie.
Dammit I shoulda seen that movie today. But I decided to enjoy the sun. WHAT SORT OF NERD AM I?!
The sun? As in the astrological fixture? Doesn’t that hurt?
Foolish Sun-Lover, today was for the dark– the Dark of the Moon!
WHAT SORT OF NERD AM I?!
A SUN nerd probably. Quick, install Solaris and find out. Or JAVA at least.
So, do you buy those Cine-Masks at the store, and then bring them yourself and buy a 3D ticket? What stops people from just buying a regular ticket and theater-hopping?
You buy them at the store. Or, in my case, you get them when Hasbro hands them out to everyone for free at their Hall of Fame event at BotCon 2011 wherein there’s a 3D preview of the movie.
But where do you get hamster-size ones?
Also, the next character statue should come with li’l cinemasks for them all.
Second that question. Where do you get hamster-sized cinemasks? As a hamster, I want one.
And then snkrs TRANSFORMS INTO A DECEPTICON AND TAKES THEM HOSTAGE!
Do those 3D masks work when you need to wear normal glasses?
If you have very small and narrow glasses and/or head, maybe. I couldn’t fit my glasses in mine.
Well that shows another reason why 3D shouldn’t become mainstream for a while longer, they really need to get rid of the #D glasses and the headaches first before trying to shove 3D movies and 3D TVs down everyones throats.
Hear hear! I want to be able to go to the theater without having to carry along a bottle of ibuprofen.
Supposedly these help!
I mean with the headaches, not the prescription glasses thingamajig…
I’ve seen those. Been tempted to grab a pair, if I thought any of the movies were worth going to see. It’s a shame that the movies that I find worth watching are being made less because of lower box office, which sort of happened because 3D was the only option. So I like the glasses, but I don’t watch enough movies for it to be worthwhile.
I’m confused as to why you’d want to wear both.
I know from my older relatives that when they were children, the only means of watching scifi/horror etc. was VHS, and since as they couldn’t rent the film themselves, it would usually be a copy of a copy of a copy.
And it’d always later turn out to be much scarier than the original, because the – blurry, dark – copy would obscure bad FX and let the mind fill in better, scarier ones.
3D is dark and blurry, repackaged for a new generation.
So if you’re already wearing glasses, just take them off. Same effect.
well, personally, I would not be able to even see a movie without my glasses. I’m practically blind without em.
Also, Dark of the Moon is not horror(well, it might be, but its not supposed to be horror ), so the ‘scarier because its blurrier’ principle does not apply, and in fact its basically opposite: its an FX flick, so the less you can observe the effects…well, you know…
I think you’re missing something here. Glasses aren’t just there for show, after all. They are clincially lined up for your specific eyes, to get things to zoom in or push back and to clear up and line up images when your eyes aren’t doing that for you.
Sure, the 3d glasses might handle the last part, as you don’t need to worry so much about line up the two pictures mentally. That’s assuming your 3d glasses are somewhere near your prescription strength, some how allow your eyes to focus right because of that, and hope that you aren’t nearsighted and that’s not what your original glasses aren’t there to correct.
It COULD work, they ARE a form of glasses after all. But that’s not going to be a long term fix in any form.
Dude, it’s a gimmick. I don’t think we have to worry about 3D becoming the standard. 2D’s not going anywhere.
Except at, you know, the theaters that don’t offer it as an option to not do 3D.
Yours don’t? Well ain’t that a stinker.
The glasses they handed out at the theatre (not the masks we brought) fit over my glasses fine. In fact, I was able to basically lean them against my forehead over my glasses so as not to annoy myself with extra nose weight.
Hate that extra nose weight
That extra nose weight is what ruined the experience of Up for me. It’s the only other 3D movie I’ve ever seen.
Dude, they were handing out regular 3D glasses at the theater. And at BotCon, actually. The Cinemask is an added gimmick for people who like that sort of thing.
As a person who wears rather small glasses, I could get the mask to fit, but it hurt the bridge of my nose to wear it for more than a few minutes at the time.
Snkrs is adorable!
Sympathy whiplash! *That’s* the phrase I was looking for to describe my attitude towards Robin in this storyline – thank you.
“Fishin’ Chicks” looks likely to wrap up tomorrow, and nobody really seems in danger of learning anything. I do hope there’s a little lesson in this for Robin, or this’ll get repetitive fast.
Robin’s essential problem, through this whole arc, has been that she seems to have jettisoned the self-criticism that weighed on her in the hours after she left Leslie’s house, and when she talked to Joe, and even when she admitted, to Malaya of all people, that she wasn’t sure she deserved Leslie.
Through “Fishin’ Chicks,” she’s almost constantly SHRIEKED how great she is. “Leslie’s the cookie monster and I am the cookies!” “You can’t win, Malaya!” “Look, I’m a Leia!” “I can still rock your world!” “Man, good thing I kept you from that bitch!” “This was totally awesome!” “Who bought you a house?” It’s pretty self-aggrandizing even by Robin standards. When they were together, she left that sort of cheerleading to Leslie.
I have to conclude it’s defensive on Robin’s part– on some level she knew how shaky her position was, and kept trying to talk her way past that shakiness. Of COURSE that wasn’t going to work once Leslie was actually ready to talk. Now, constant self-flagellation isn’t appealing either, but expressing some humility and a desire to change… both things that Robin actually seemed to feel when talking with Joe… would have strengthened her position considerably.
In short, Robin’s had a short little Shakespeare arc here, where the trait that allowed her to rise– her defiant pose of confidence, which let her actually seduce Leslie after the latter seemed lost to her– was the exact same trait that led to her fall. The whole issue of boxblocking Malaya is just seasoning.
The fact that she generally left the cheerleading to Leslie may actually be a good indicator why she’s been “I’m so great” for a minute. When you have been getting something and aren’t, you tend to go overboard a little if you can get it elsewhere.
Yeah, you’re right, she was overconfident.
“When you have been getting something and aren’t, you tend to go overboard a little if you can get it elsewhere.”
I believe this also helps to explain why Leslie’s going after Malaya.
Your use of the word boxblock makes me see Malaya as Frigg.
I feel like she would be about as destructive if given a mace.
Quite true about Robin bragging about herself as a defense mechanisms. And hardly the first time we’ve seen it. Robin was devastated when — after harping on Amber about her lack of sexual experience — a fed up Amber told her that not only WASN’T she a virgin, but that she had actually had sex with Ethan. Something that Robin had been (unsuccessfully) trying to do for years, until she found out he was gay.
The fact that Amber had basically one-upped her, that she had no chance of evening things up now that Ethan had come out as gay, and worst, the realization that in fact, SHE HERSELF was the only virgin among her friends, left her feeling embarrassed and insecure about herself for some time. So yeah, her confidence is very much a facade.
“Boxblocking”, heh. You just made that up, T? You sure have a way with coining neologisms. Keep up the good work!
Snkrs mask FTW! I also think it’s good how they get to see a movie before… before… I’ll just be in this corner. And “sympathy whiplash” pretty much sums up the entire arc.
Maybe this is a kind of dumb question, but what exactly is “sympathy whiplash”?
One moment you feel sorry for someone and then suddenly you lose all sympathy when a new fact appears, hence whiplash.
Whiplash is an injury sustained when one’s neck moves rapidly in extremes – such as with a sudden stop.
So ‘sympathy whiplash’ would be the mental state induced by one’s sympathies in a situation changing rapidly as more details come out – as is happening to Amber here, as Robin tells her story.
Oh, I know what actual whiplash is. I’m just not as quick with the hidden meanings.
It’s analogous to the more frequently-seen “mood whiplash,” which is things like the part in Mulan where the goofy band of failsoldiers is finishing up their goofy song about what kind of girls they like and how hilariously sexist they are and HOLY SHIT DEAD PEOPLE EVERYWHERE.
It’s something both Robin and Leslie are engendering in us, the readers, in a lot of ways, which is why Amber is saying this. They’re both starting to make it difficult to feel sympathy for either of their situations anymore. =\
Ah. Maybe that’s why I don’t get it; I never had sympathy for Robin and always thought she was a bitch.
There is a Hamformer on Amber’s head. Your argument is invalid.
The BEST kind of whiplash.
I dunno, for me it’s between the He-Man character and Ivan Vanko(movie).
The He-Man character has better dental hygiene.
Also, he’s green. He wins.
So, classic He-Man character (reused parts with orc head and a tail on his back), 2002 Whiplash (crocodile orc), or the new version (mix of both)?
No way! The best kind of whiplash is the Metallica song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aPkx-wwYgA
I know there’s something relevent to the plot going on, but I’m too busy squealing over Snkrs to notice.
Has no one else noticed that Robin is holding a Bumblebee mask?
Why is it that the saddest part about Robin sitting all alone, is that she’s the only one with a Bumblebee mask?
Because it’s Bumblebee. Maybe I just haven’t spent enough time in the actual fandom groups, but life as a casual transfan and meeting others every so often has thus far taught me that most people who aren’t shippers don’t actually care about or dislike Bumblebee. Usually instead favoring Prime, Megatron, Soundwave, Starscream, or some character who isn’t constantly shoved down our throats. (Tarantulus and Shockwave, in my case.) … So being the lonely Bumblebee almost seems fitting. *Prepares to be proven so wrong it’s almost as sad as lonely Bumblebee.*
Partially cause she’s the only one with one. But Chupi also nailed it on the head, I think. As someone who fades in and out of the fandom, I was not aware of who Bumblebee was just because it was several years before I saw a series in which he was in.
I know it’s supposed to be an Optimus Prime mask. However, I must still do this.
“BAT-HAM! Nananananana! BAT-HAM!”
Did snkrs have to pay full ticket price?
Tiny hamster tiny transformer mask FTW!
Amber’s doing a wonderful job acting as the Reader Stand-In.
For me, at least.
I really just want to sit Robin down and read her train of thought back to her.
I’m a broken record.
Which kind of screwing did you have in mind? HMMMM?
To hell with Robin.
There, I made my point a little better.
No, no, no…screw Les and Malaya….there, that’s better.
Nahnah nahnah nahnah nahnah, BAT-HAM! Nahnah nahnah nahnah nahnah, BAT-HAM! BAT-HAM! Bat-ham! Bat-ham!
And the secret identity of the Bat-ham shall forever to a secret, though he leaves lil poops all over his ride’s hair.
On a side note, yes I realize it’s actually the transformers mask, but since it’s small, the details are slightly obscured making it also a perfect batman mask as well in the last two panels.
I know Robin’s mind doesn’t exactly work the way a normal person’s does, but why doesn’t she just tell Leslie what Malaya told her… that Leslie is just “fun to mess with”?
Because perhaps Malaya meant it the same way I’d mean it. “Tease”. My own girlfriend is “fun to mess with” in that context. I do it playfully, and she loves it. Malaya didn’t say ‘I’m just messing with her’ – she said ‘Leslie’s fun to mess with.’ It might mean she’s a cold hearted manipulative bitch who’s only out to score – but it also might mean she’s having a good time flirting with her. The way her face lit up when she first met her still has me leaning towards option 2.
Why didn’t Robin do a lot of things differently? Why didn’t she say she’s given Leslie space for 6 months to sort out her feelings, but felt she had to act now after overhearing Malaya say that basically this was a game to her and that she (Robin) feared that Leslie would be hurt again, and that no matter what, she never wanted to see Leslie hurt again?
Or a hundred other things that she could have said or done that might have helped mend things with “her lesbian.” Why? Because she’s Robin, and makes impulsive decisions at lightning speed and rarely thinks before she speaks. It’s part of her charm, part of why Leslie loves her, and now, part of why Leslie feels she can’t be with her.
Yeah, Robin calling Leslie “My Lesbian” is just one of many reason I dislike her.
Because, sadly, it’s one of Robin’s biggest flaws. Introspection is not something that comes very naturally to her. I also suspect that sometimes clearly and concisely communicating exactly what she’s feeling is difficult for her, too. Not because she’s unaware of exactly what she feels, but because she’s honestly afraid of making herself emotionally vulnerable by putting herself out there that way. So she covers it up with a facade that she’s unaware she’s hiding behind. Kind of sad, really. =\
Why exactly would that be a deal-breaker?
Seriously. “Leslie is fun to mess with” does not necessarily translate into “I don’t care about Leslie and only flirt with her because it’s funny”. It can easily (and, perhaps, even more plausibly?) translate into “I really want to be with Leslie, and it’s ADORABLY amusing how easily she gets flustered”.
I don’t like Malaya, but not every sentence that comes out of her mouth is evil incarnate.
Actually, so many of them are that it’s reasonable to suspect the rest.
Not to mention she began taking interest in Leslie after finding out she used to date “sex video girl”. That, coupled with her general laziness, certainly suggests she’s using Leslie for fame, perhaps trying to do a sex tape scandal that’ll get her on talk shows and tabloids and never have to work a day in her life again.
I know, I’m reaching, but Malaya’s been nothing but a bitch towards everyone, so this wouldn’t surprise me in the least.
Also, I wonder when Ken is going to get some fleshing out beyond “I’m hopelessly pining for Malaya”?
Read. The. Damn. Comic. She’s. Introduced. To. Leslie. In.
Her face lights up BEFORE she knows she was dating Robin, BEFORE she even knows she likes girls. LOOK AT THE GAME TAPE!
Admittedly, it’s a judgement call based on Malaya’s behavior thus far. She’s repeatedly shown herself to be rather insensitive and thoughtless towards others, so it’s easy to assume she has no real feelings for Leslie, and is just screwing with her head. You’re correct however that we might have Malaya all wrong. Indeed, the fact that she was willing to go see Transformers 3 with the gang and make out with Leslie proves that at the very least, Malaya’s genuinely attracted to Leslie. (Which bodes poorly for Ken’s obvious crush on her.) Only time will tell.
On the other hand, this will likely end very badly for Malaya herself, as she’s now apparently Leslie’s rebound girlfriend.
Wouldn’t a menage a’trois resolve this situation perfectly ie piss everyone off equally while still fulfilling our daily sex quotient?
Ok so Robin makes out with Amber. Mike won’t mind because he can see how much angst it will cause. Ethan who is dateless jumps in as he has been with Amber before and the object of Robin’s affection.
Um… Ethan’s not dateless. Drew was in the earlier comic with everyone in line. So therefore, those two shall naturally be Batman/Riddler Powerlinx-ing.
Les needs to take Robin back. ):
Should she, now?
I’m not being sarcastic. I’m honestly wondering. Sure, they were adorable together. And they really made each other happy for a while. But on the other hand, Robin has shown time and again that she can be horribly inconsiderate when she gets one of her whims. She may need some serious growing up before she can have a functional relationship.
So far I think the comments count is 4-to-1 of people SQUEEing about Snkrs’ Optimus 3D mask over the relationship thingee.
This can mean only one thing:
We need more hamsters in masks.
Mr. Willis! A moment of your time, good sir.
I was thinking over yesterday’s strip, and Mike’s hidden nerd-love of the Green Lantern. And then it hit me: “Why would Mike care about GL? It’s not like he’s ever much seemed to enjoy being a goo- oh crap. He looks up to Sinestro, doesn’t he?” Which then brought up the thought “If Mike Warner were inserted into the DCU – which of the ‘Negative Lantern Corps’ would try to recruit him? Orange is out, Larfleeze doesn’t like to share, and Mike’s not that greedy anyway. But he’s got a lot of rage in that heart, so Atrocitus and the Reds would LOVE him. Yet he’s also capable of instilling great fear, so Sinestro and the Yellows would want him, too. So how would that play out, exactly? And would we the fans get to see the highly amusing fracas as Mike accepts both a Yellow and a Red ring, and then proceeds to try to oust both leaders?” =D
Mike doesn’t care about Green Lantern.
Mike cares about punching people.
He just likes cosplayers so he can make fun of them, then?
And seriously, which Corps do you think would recruit him? Because that would be an awesome moment. “Michael Warner of Sector 2814. You are capable of instilling great fear/have great rage in your heart. Welcome to the Sinestro Corps/Red Lantern Corps.” (both rings finding him at the same time)
“Mike Warner, we have found that you are least susceptible to fear of any human. Welcome to the Green Lantern Corps.”
Hamham with Mask=Love
Ok, we have Malaya and Drew in the same building, maybe we can get Roz in there somehow as well, everyone else leaves for some reason. Also the film of DOTM is the only copy in existance. Plus Michael Bay himself and also Shia happen to be there for this opening.
So now just imagine how much better off everyone would be if someone were to drop a bomb on the building at just that moment?
What’s wrong with Drew?
Or Roz, for that matter?
You may not have noticed this from my many, many, MANY commnents on the subject, but I fucking hate Drew.
Willis, since you have seen fit to allow this travesty to occur, I hereby respectfully demand you introduce an annoying Leslie clone to the storyline for Robin to mack on. For variety she should be African American and speak with a heavy Creole dialect and accent. Also inexplicably she should look like a direct palette swap of Leslie with no true racial characteristics. Make this happen.
My good sir/madam [delete whichever is inappropriate], you have made an awesome suggestion. I think it almost outdoes my idea of Mike as a Red/Yellow Lantern!
I would like you to explain this comment further.
I feel the only way to further heighten the drama of this is turn this love triangle into a hate quadrandle. I would like both original partners to come to detest their respective counterparts and eventually come to recognize the ugly aspects of their personalities that need to change. Eventually they will realize they are basically dating inferior copies of the person they truly care for and make that shit work. Oh, and if you mean why African American, its because you have yet to satisfy the race quota in that respect. That and it would be ripping off QC’s Doppleganger plotline. I recognize these demands are unreasonable and am nonetheless making them in an attempt to be funny.
I was just wondering why the “no true racial characteristics” thing, mostly. It seemed really, really odd, and wasn’t sure if it was a potshot at something or not. I guess I’m still not entirely sure.
Oh no, don’t get me wrong on that respect, your art style is excellent. I’ve been watching it evolve from the old IW days and am an avid reader of the DA comic now. In my insane rambling I was outright suggesting a literal clone with dark skin. It would be impractical however, you don’t do one-shot joke characters. Every character you introduce is very alive. You’d somehow make me care about Nega-Leslie and I would root for her over the original. You’re a magnificent bastard in that respect.
- waits to see Ultra Car in the theater with his Prime mask -
Also, for those of you complaining about 3-d glasses messing with your regular glasses, just get your regular glasses made into 3-d glasses. Then you will see the real world in 3-d too.
You may be waiting a while – Ultra-car doesn’t fit in regular theaters (And thus downloads them instead since there are no drive-in theaters in the area.)
This got me to thinking… why does Ultra Car not have a remote drone yet.
Even Black Beauty, the Batmobile and the Ship Who Sang had remote drones.
They don’t make hamster sized cinemasks because the second thing some guy would do is put it on the tip of his penis.
Gravatar Test, Sorry
Aww… adorable movie mask for hamsters!
…Okay I really wanna know where Ethan got THAT.
I’m torn on this issue. While Robin exploiting Leslie’s childhood crush to get them to try and rekindle their relationship together was low, Leslie immediately propositioning a woman who her ex dislikes for making out it also extremely low. Both girls are currently in need to a swift kick in the ass.
I mean Malaya seduced Leslie KNOWING about her and Amber’s history just for the lulz. Amber slept with les just out of SPITE just after explaining in great detail exactly how bad that would be for her, and Leslie gave into the sweet, sweet toxin that is amber, knowing were there relationship goes. The betsthng she did was get out.
Reminds me a lot of Nightwing Annual #2, great read.
Did anybody notice how the Ham on Amber’s head looks a lot like batman?
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