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		<title>By: Random Webcomics Junkie</title>
		<link>http://www.shortpacked.com/2011/comic/book-13/03-fishin-chicks/disobedience/#comment-128549</link>
		<dc:creator>Random Webcomics Junkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 May 2013 00:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s a Bible show -  from the references I&#039;ve seen, I think that&#039;s the &quot;super book&quot; the title refers to. I&#039;ve never seen this show, though, so if someone knows better than I, please leave a comment to correct me for anyone else who wonders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s a Bible show &#8211;  from the references I&#8217;ve seen, I think that&#8217;s the &#8220;super book&#8221; the title refers to. I&#8217;ve never seen this show, though, so if someone knows better than I, please leave a comment to correct me for anyone else who wonders.</p>
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		<title>By: Lukkai</title>
		<link>http://www.shortpacked.com/2011/comic/book-13/03-fishin-chicks/disobedience/#comment-97281</link>
		<dc:creator>Lukkai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2012 16:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wall of text but well worth the read. I gotta take a look into that book you mentioned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wall of text but well worth the read. I gotta take a look into that book you mentioned.</p>
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		<title>By: JW</title>
		<link>http://www.shortpacked.com/2011/comic/book-13/03-fishin-chicks/disobedience/#comment-86645</link>
		<dc:creator>JW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2012 03:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interestingly enough, with exception of populations that have already &quot;close-bred&quot; for many generations (such as Ashkenazi Jewish, or the Hapburgs), the likelihood of passing on dangerous recessive traits is only marginally higher between first cousins than it is between two &quot;unrelated&quot; people. Move it out to second and third cousins, and there&#039;s generally little or no appreciably higher risk at all than the general population. 

I imagine the fact that DNA reshuffles a little during every successful  sexual reproduction helps prevent that kind of thing. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly enough, with exception of populations that have already &#8220;close-bred&#8221; for many generations (such as Ashkenazi Jewish, or the Hapburgs), the likelihood of passing on dangerous recessive traits is only marginally higher between first cousins than it is between two &#8220;unrelated&#8221; people. Move it out to second and third cousins, and there&#8217;s generally little or no appreciably higher risk at all than the general population. </p>
<p>I imagine the fact that DNA reshuffles a little during every successful  sexual reproduction helps prevent that kind of thing. <img src='http://www.shortpacked.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: JW</title>
		<link>http://www.shortpacked.com/2011/comic/book-13/03-fishin-chicks/disobedience/#comment-86642</link>
		<dc:creator>JW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2012 02:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a really fascinating book that delves into the probable origins of ALL the various Flood myths (of which there are two types!), it&#039;s by Ian Wilson, it&#039;s called &quot;Before The Flood&quot;, and I highly recommend it :) The second half or so is highly speculative (he tries to reconstruct an entire prehistoric cultural movement that was later usurped, partly from archaeology and linguistic analysis, but also using common myths)... but it&#039;s interesting and surprisingly compelling.

The FIRST part though, is my favorite part, a careful, reasonable synthesis of historical dissection, geology, chemistry and archaeology that includes some pretty awesome discoveries that as of 2006 (when the book was published) were really new, and as of now, are still bloody awesome (mostly because of how they were found: they found the world&#039;s oldest known &lt;i&gt;intact&lt;/i&gt; wooden tools! To do it, they had to send the robot sub that investigated the Titanic, down into the deepest waters of the Black Sea, deeper than any diver can safely go, to a place with waters so chemically toxic to life that even wood doesn&#039;t rot down there. And why are the waters so toxic? Because a flash flood of salt water - an epic natural disaster triggered by glacial flooding, breaking the natural wall of earth that separated the lake from the Mediterranean - turned a fresh water lake into a saltwater sea... killing off all the lake&#039;s freshwater life in a mass extinction that apparently exuded, in its last collective breath, a toxic chemistry that rendered the bottom of the lake into an eerily quiet, literally lifeless dead zone... with the remnants of a coastal civilization silently smothered under it. HELL YEAH. :D ). 


Also (though this isn&#039;t part of that book, it&#039;s just something I read in science mags later), recent genetic discoveries do indicate we were reduced to a population of as little as 5,000 people at one point - and more recent archaeological and paleological discoveries in southern Africa suggest there was  bit of a biological oasis on the coastline there, safe from the ravages of glacial flooding or ice ages alike, complete with caves in cliffs that show evidence of not just ancient human habitation approximately 60k-75k years ago, but quite clever humans at that (they appear to have heat-treated their points for added strength! Anyone not familiar with archaeology has possibly no idea of how amazing this is or possibly even what I just said, but trust me, it&#039;s &lt;i&gt;incredibly&lt;/i&gt; advanced for tens of thousands of years ago). 

Soooo  long story short: yes, we had a severe population bottleneck at one point, and yes, there was a period (likely during the last glacial melting period, the end of Younger Dryas Ice Age) which caused a lot of coastal flooding, as well as a severe natural disaster that was very likely the direct inspiration for the oddly specific, oddly common &quot;Noah&quot; family of flood stories (names vary, but it doesn&#039;t just exist in the OT, you also find it mentioned, among other things, in the far older Epic of Gilgamesh). 

However, those two events were tens of thousands of years apart - the Black Sea flood IIRC happened about 6,600 BCE, which is less than 9,000 years ago - way more recent than the likely bottleneck. 

However, now that I think of it, the chronologically older story of the Garden of Eden? That now makes a lot more sense, if you take into account the southern African population bottleneck... especially since, being the settlement or camps were near a seashore, there was no lack of food at all (though finding freshwater is always a concern, you have to be an idiot or an inexperienced child to starve on the seashore). Though, I should note, a lot of scholars have suggested the Garden was intended to be part of the Middle East and I think they had a general idea of where... of course, others have postulated that it simply was a metaphorical story nostalgically relating our shift from Hunter-Gatherer to Agricultural lifestyles, as of course, the agricultural lifestyle was a great advancement of knowledge and culture (Tree of Knowledge, remember?), but also meant a lot more work - you can actually tell that for quite a long time, the agricultural lifestyle was actually harder and less healthy for our ancestors than hunting and gathering was. But eh. I&#039;m more interested in the Flood stuff anyway. :) Natural disasters are more interesting by far than nostalgia!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a really fascinating book that delves into the probable origins of ALL the various Flood myths (of which there are two types!), it&#8217;s by Ian Wilson, it&#8217;s called &#8220;Before The Flood&#8221;, and I highly recommend it <img src='http://www.shortpacked.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  The second half or so is highly speculative (he tries to reconstruct an entire prehistoric cultural movement that was later usurped, partly from archaeology and linguistic analysis, but also using common myths)&#8230; but it&#8217;s interesting and surprisingly compelling.</p>
<p>The FIRST part though, is my favorite part, a careful, reasonable synthesis of historical dissection, geology, chemistry and archaeology that includes some pretty awesome discoveries that as of 2006 (when the book was published) were really new, and as of now, are still bloody awesome (mostly because of how they were found: they found the world&#8217;s oldest known <i>intact</i> wooden tools! To do it, they had to send the robot sub that investigated the Titanic, down into the deepest waters of the Black Sea, deeper than any diver can safely go, to a place with waters so chemically toxic to life that even wood doesn&#8217;t rot down there. And why are the waters so toxic? Because a flash flood of salt water &#8211; an epic natural disaster triggered by glacial flooding, breaking the natural wall of earth that separated the lake from the Mediterranean &#8211; turned a fresh water lake into a saltwater sea&#8230; killing off all the lake&#8217;s freshwater life in a mass extinction that apparently exuded, in its last collective breath, a toxic chemistry that rendered the bottom of the lake into an eerily quiet, literally lifeless dead zone&#8230; with the remnants of a coastal civilization silently smothered under it. HELL YEAH. <img src='http://www.shortpacked.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  ). </p>
<p>Also (though this isn&#8217;t part of that book, it&#8217;s just something I read in science mags later), recent genetic discoveries do indicate we were reduced to a population of as little as 5,000 people at one point &#8211; and more recent archaeological and paleological discoveries in southern Africa suggest there was  bit of a biological oasis on the coastline there, safe from the ravages of glacial flooding or ice ages alike, complete with caves in cliffs that show evidence of not just ancient human habitation approximately 60k-75k years ago, but quite clever humans at that (they appear to have heat-treated their points for added strength! Anyone not familiar with archaeology has possibly no idea of how amazing this is or possibly even what I just said, but trust me, it&#8217;s <i>incredibly</i> advanced for tens of thousands of years ago). </p>
<p>Soooo  long story short: yes, we had a severe population bottleneck at one point, and yes, there was a period (likely during the last glacial melting period, the end of Younger Dryas Ice Age) which caused a lot of coastal flooding, as well as a severe natural disaster that was very likely the direct inspiration for the oddly specific, oddly common &#8220;Noah&#8221; family of flood stories (names vary, but it doesn&#8217;t just exist in the OT, you also find it mentioned, among other things, in the far older Epic of Gilgamesh). </p>
<p>However, those two events were tens of thousands of years apart &#8211; the Black Sea flood IIRC happened about 6,600 BCE, which is less than 9,000 years ago &#8211; way more recent than the likely bottleneck. </p>
<p>However, now that I think of it, the chronologically older story of the Garden of Eden? That now makes a lot more sense, if you take into account the southern African population bottleneck&#8230; especially since, being the settlement or camps were near a seashore, there was no lack of food at all (though finding freshwater is always a concern, you have to be an idiot or an inexperienced child to starve on the seashore). Though, I should note, a lot of scholars have suggested the Garden was intended to be part of the Middle East and I think they had a general idea of where&#8230; of course, others have postulated that it simply was a metaphorical story nostalgically relating our shift from Hunter-Gatherer to Agricultural lifestyles, as of course, the agricultural lifestyle was a great advancement of knowledge and culture (Tree of Knowledge, remember?), but also meant a lot more work &#8211; you can actually tell that for quite a long time, the agricultural lifestyle was actually harder and less healthy for our ancestors than hunting and gathering was. But eh. I&#8217;m more interested in the Flood stuff anyway. <img src='http://www.shortpacked.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Natural disasters are more interesting by far than nostalgia!</p>
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		<title>By: Godly</title>
		<link>http://www.shortpacked.com/2011/comic/book-13/03-fishin-chicks/disobedience/#comment-72112</link>
		<dc:creator>Godly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2012 01:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You win because Futurama.</description>
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		<title>By: Magnus369</title>
		<link>http://www.shortpacked.com/2011/comic/book-13/03-fishin-chicks/disobedience/#comment-52022</link>
		<dc:creator>Magnus369</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 22:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Duh!</description>
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		<title>By: Rognik</title>
		<link>http://www.shortpacked.com/2011/comic/book-13/03-fishin-chicks/disobedience/#comment-45710</link>
		<dc:creator>Rognik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2011 19:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bah, what nonsense! I suppose it was some massive flood that washed over the planet that killed all but these select few.

On a completely unrelated note (and a more serious one), nearly every culture has some sort of flood myth, so it is possible there was a great deluge once upon a time and some people survived. For instance, the greeks have one where a man and woman survive and repopulate by stripping to the waist and throwing stones behind them. The stones he threw turned into men, while her stones became women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bah, what nonsense! I suppose it was some massive flood that washed over the planet that killed all but these select few.</p>
<p>On a completely unrelated note (and a more serious one), nearly every culture has some sort of flood myth, so it is possible there was a great deluge once upon a time and some people survived. For instance, the greeks have one where a man and woman survive and repopulate by stripping to the waist and throwing stones behind them. The stones he threw turned into men, while her stones became women.</p>
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		<title>By: Wikipedia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wikipedia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2011 07:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oddly enough our single common male ancestor is said to have lived long before our single common female ancestor.
This is most easily explained if some kind of world wide disaster wiped out everyone on Earth leaving only a man, his adult male children and the wives of those children. If such a man did exist then he had no surviving female children that had children of their own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oddly enough our single common male ancestor is said to have lived long before our single common female ancestor.<br />
This is most easily explained if some kind of world wide disaster wiped out everyone on Earth leaving only a man, his adult male children and the wives of those children. If such a man did exist then he had no surviving female children that had children of their own.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimmy C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2011 02:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AAARGG! For Pete&#039;s sake, Willis, is NOTHING SACRED?!?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AAARGG! For Pete&#8217;s sake, Willis, is NOTHING SACRED?!?</p>
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		<title>By: xoer</title>
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		<dc:creator>xoer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2011 01:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>only his half sister if you go off the theory that cains wife was the daugter of Lilith adams first wife</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>only his half sister if you go off the theory that cains wife was the daugter of Lilith adams first wife</p>
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