Yes, I’m being a dickweed. But FoX-Men lovers, take solace in that the first pill gives me two rounds of diarrhea, without fail, roughly 9 and 25 minutes after downing it.
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Clarithromycin gives you a bad stomach? Damn, sorry to hear that. As someone who suffered from bronchitis regularly when younger, Klacid was something prescribed towards the tail-end of that period. Expensive, but man was it effective.
Quite a few antibiotics give you the runs. It’s an annoying and common side effect.
(I’ve been on just about every antibiotic there is in the last few years…)
Because it kills your intestinal flaura with the rest of the bad stuff. Eating yogurt, and lots of it, is a good way to recover from that though.
This sounds like a job for Jamie Lee Curtis and ACTIVIA!!!!
Man that shit isn’t yogurt! Its cream with a fancy name tacked on a bacteria. No go for Liberté Mediterenean style yogurt! That stuff’s so thick you could eat it with a fork!
“Greek style” just means they put it through a strainer. It’s not any healthier than the normal stuff.
No Greek Style is another product like. I never said anything about being healthier, I said thicker. Liberté Mediterenean has a 7% fat content on average. Fat free yogurt is lame.
rown Cow’s nonfat is great stuff. Really creamy, you’d never think is was nonfat. Unfortunately they seem to have cut down on the flavors. Their apricot manga was the best, but I haven’t been able to find it for a while.
LOL, feel better soon!
Yaaaay! The anti-X-Men comments are all my fault! I got whiny nerds all angry! Woohoo!
Sound like I missed a good time. I love to riff on people’s nostalgic views. Geewuner, 87 TMNT fanboys, people who think Power Rangers stopped at MMPR, people who think Kanto was the shiznit etc etc.
Most ironic avatar placement ever? Yes.
In my defense its a randomly assigned one. In my mind its Back to the Sewer Donnie and not 87 Donnie anyway :p you know, the SMART one.
At least it’s not comic Donnie. They were such douches.
’87 Donnie was a walking deus ex machina, buzz off ;P
Lies. Clearly Orange Islands was the shiznit.
Hey, look at the size of the minority I’m in.
I love Hoenn myself, but I’ve never seen any of the Diamond & Pearl seasons and heard it was great. I also hear great things about Best Wishes.
I actually haven’t seen the show since just before the Johto arc, but I hear the new series is awesome in a way that mixes what I liked about Kanto with what I loved about Orange Islands.
What’s Best Wishes?
I haven’t watched the show or played a game since the red/blue days. Not through fanboy anger, I just haven’t. Well, Ok, i did quit the anime by choice, but come on, replacing Brock?
Best Wishes is the new series based on the Black and White games.
Orange league tournament at the end of that season had IMO some of the best battles ever. The orange islands is still my favorite.
The way I see it, it’s Johto or get out. Kanto is just boring to me, and I’m indifferent to Hoenn and have never played Sinnoh. No opinion yet on Isshu/Unova, though.
it really just depends on how long you’ve followed the franchise like say if u were following it during the kanto times then the sinnoh and unova wont appeal to you as mach as if u just started watching it in the latter periods i personally find each season has its own unique aspect to it.
I’ve been into Pokémon since day 1 and I think Black and White are the best games. OOO CONTROVERSY
riff on nostalgia, you mean riff on your perceptions of what people only like due to nostalgia? Every aspect of a show matters; x-men had really nice art (an actually sexy rogue), really fun voice acting, and the bad aspects of that are still hilarious “in a good way” (like the rogue screams). The new X-Men and Spider-Man cartoons have been godawful, and Pokemon had a noticeable drop in quality midway through Johto, then another drop for RSE, then ANOTHER drop for DP, of course I am judging RSE and DP based on the movies and about 3 episodes of each since I have no desire to punish myself for liking pokemon. You can still label the original bad depending on your values; personally I only cared about the “epic fights”, and like people tend to agree on, I think Indigo Plateau and Orange Islands were the best. Obviously Ash, Misty, and Brock are all pretty annoying in the English anime, they are a little better in Japanese, particularly Misty.
You obviously haven’t seen any of the recent league if you think Indigo had good fights. Good god May had more impressive contests in the middle of the season!
I haven’t seen so many people arguing over Pokemon since the last anime club I went to, over a month ago.
I just have this to say: May was so super annoying(glad they got rid of her), and they’re kind of overdoing the series. Seriously, the Land Before Time didn’t go on as long as Pokemon has.
Indigo had good fights because of the cool pokemon involved, not anything else. The animation, voice acting, and a bunch of other parts of the shows degraded since, and the cool pokemon went out the window starting in generation three. The pokemon movies are more tolerable than the series (in Japanese, English is 100% unbearable if you have ears), but have not changed a bit since the third movie :/
Cool Pokémon? I’ll take Sceptile over any of the Kanto Starter and Swellow over Pideotto any day of the week. To say nothing of Glalie and Corphish was a better crustecean (though not as cool as Floatzel). How can you say the animation degraded?! On a technical stand point the Pokémon of today is miles ahead of the one from twelve years ago. The voice acting suffered when they changed dub studio IMO.
Ya know I completely agree that the Fox X-Men Cartoon was ridonkulous, as most of the marvel stuff from that era… I don’t think there was a decent Marvel cartoon until X-Men Evolution! Even the 90s Spidey sucked.
I’m just curious exactly what brought this sudden bout of hatred for FoX-men? Did something happened??
This was WAY better than X-Men Evolution. X-Men Evolution was terrible!
In what way, beside comic accuracy, was FoX-men better than Evo?
Fox-Xmen had great scripts, but terrible animation. Evolution had terrible scripts(okay, not terrible, but…) and great animation.
I liked both the Fox X-Men and X-Men Evolution equally – I possibly even liked Evolution a little bit more – but even as good as it was, Evolution never gave Apocalypse awesome dialogue like “I am the rocks of the eternal shore – crash against me, and be BROKEN!”
Also, the FoX-Men vocal cast influenced how I “hear” the characters speaking when I read the comics – but Evolution Nightcrawler was probably the best on-screen adaptation of the character
Fox>Evo because they weren’t all teenagers going to highschool.
Fox was superhero X-Men, Evo was Mutant 90210.
Oh, and the Evo Wolverine was completely useless.
But they were teenagers in the comic before Byrne ruined everything!
My sarcasm detector might not be working, but surely you mean:
“They were teenagers in the comic before Byrne took a dying franchise that no-one cared about and turned it into Marvel’s biggest brand for a good three decades”?
Yes, but there have been teenage characters in the X-Men comics since forever. The ’60s team were teenagers. There was the New Mutants in the ’80s and Generation X in the ’90s. They were just doing the perennial “teenage mutant book” angle but with more popular characters. I even liked that they went to high school because it made sense that the Professor would want them to try and get along with normal people rather than cloistering themselves in the mansion.
I’ll also agree that the ’90s cartoon wasn’t great, but I’m still rather fond of it. Wolverine and the X-Men was boring, though.
I am counting my blessings. And think I can count on one hand the cartoons made for FOX network that WEREN’T horrible pieces of $#!+.
The Tick?
I preferred the live-action version.
That shit was hot.
Man Fox killed a lot of good show. I’m glad I got the DVD for it.
Peter Pan and the Pirates, the Tick… I was inexplicably fond of the Attack of the Killer Tomatoes cartoon…
What the hell is Peter Pan and the Pirates.
About 3x better than the Disney version.
Since they started making Tinkerbell movies anyway.
Peter Pan and the Pirates was a cartoon based the book Peter and Wendy. It was a smidgin darker than the Disney version. Well animated and well written.
Oh, and Tim Curry was Captain Hook.
Tim Curry was also in Superhuman Samurai Syber-Squad, so it’s not exactly like everything he was in was exactly golden.
He got an emmy for being Hook, though.
Seriously, best Cap’n Hook ever. With him at the helm, Soggies may never rule!
I forgot about the Killer Tomatoes! Loved it.
“If this was prime time I’d have REAL bullets!”
Holy crap! Another Troma animation fan! Sadly I missed out on the Toxic Avenger cartoon but my elementary school had some coloring books that I took three with me home. I consider myself lucky.
Meanwhile, here is a Fox Kids cartoon that no one makes fun of because no one remembers it existed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhjqvkRE7mI
I was wondering where that scene of bikini pigs in one of CR’s videos were from. Thanks for the link.
Wait, AkumaTh? Huh. How odd it is to see you around here. I used to read your Tournaments and Royal Rumbles all the time!
Wasn’t Dog City in that period? Though That was a Jim Henson Production?
Oh. here’s some no-crap from Fox Kids in the 90s
Beetlejuice
Eek!
Bobby’s World
Tiny Toon Adventures
Animaniacs
Big Guy and Rusty
Sam and Max
Sure, other studios, but it wasn’t all crap.
I’m pretty sure at least two of those, Tiny Toons and Animaniacs, were actually WB.
Nope, both Fox. Animaniacs and Batman bot started on Fox and moved, Tiny Toons ended before there was a WB.
Tiny Toons was syndicated. (The first episode actually aired in prime time on CBS, though.)
you will not get my tears, but my cold vengeance!
(get well)
No tears for you! I preferred X-Men Evolution over Fox’s X-Men and the 90s Spiderman was okay as a way of acquainting a latter generation of kids with his universe.
It took me a good 20 or so seconds to realize that video is a parody, and it wasn’t just one of the convoluted opens to every episode. As a side note, did anyone ever see UltraForce? Possibly even worse, since most of the characters were dumb concepts to begin with.
JEEEEEAAAAANNNN!
And now, X-Men….
… Honestly though, I’ll say what was wrong with the Fox X-Men cartoon. Sure, it had some clumsy animation, but that was just a product of its time. The real problem with that show was that it was always in the middle of a storyline. ALWAYS. There was no “getting on board” point with X-Men other than episode 1. That parody video isn’t too far off from the insane amount of information shoved at an 8-year-old during the “last time on X-Men” period.
Now that I’m older and read comics, I realize that they adapted classic storylines, but when you do that for a TV show, you have to shorten the damn story. All in all, it was a learning phase for Marvel, and they made some mistakes. And if Fox X-Men was what I had to go through to get Wolverine and the X-Men, well, it’s kind of sort of worth it.
It’s a TV show adapted from a comic book, what do you expect and what can it do to break away from a never-ending medium?
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with any show that introduces a generation of kids to Marvel Comics
There’s the problem, though…cartoon adaptations DON’T lead to comic sales. They REPLACE them. That’s why the paradox exists that many superhero characters are more famous than ever, even as comic book sales continue to plummet. Superheroes are in other mediums and are more popular there. I guarantee you more people will hear of Deadpool from Marvel vs. Capcom 3 than from his appearances in comic books.
I’m not so sure that they replace comic sales. Outside of the occasional manga, I didn’t start reading comics until I turned 30. While going to a school for adults more gifted than I, one of the folks in my dorm introduced me to House of M, post-Civil War Captain America and the like.
Now, outside of the movies and that 90′s FOX Cartoon, I really didn’t follow Marvel much (and didn’t follow DC at all, despite loving Batman: TAS) and I can’t be sure when my friend was reading his comics that I would have cared enough to borrow them if I hadn’t liked the ridiculous early cartoon.
That and the Juggernaut Bitch meme never got old with me.
There’s nothing wrong with introducing kids to shitty writing, but there’s nothing dreadfully right about it, either. Especially in the age of Reals.
The thing it did right was taking the more serious plots from the comics (which is why it was always in the middle of a storyline) and adapting them for kids, which was something that hadn’t really been done at the time. I remember watching it and liking it, but yeah, it doesn’t hold up to scrutiny).
The rest? Typical of Fox Kids in that era.
Also, Street Fighter/Darkstalkers cartoons.
I never watched it, so I don’t really care. Sorry my tears can’t help you.
Now if you said Beast Wars sucked, then I could help.
This is Willis. He is very unlikely to say that. VERY.
If he said that, we would need to burn him since he would clearly be a Changeling. And those steal babies.
We should check him for any baby stealing tendencies. I personally find trying to turn “This is so babies!” into an expression of woe to be highly suspicious.
I can’t hate something so hilarious. Like watching the 1967 Spiderman cartoon. Or the Fox Spiderman cartoon, for that matter.
“SHOCKERRRRRRRR! YOU can’t esCAPE ME! I’ll CHASe you to the ENDS OF THE EARRRRTH!!!”
I just watched the ’90s Spidey and X-Men for the first time since I had watched a lot more of this sort of thing, and both are hilarious. I think my favorite weird Spidey quirk was how the eyes randomly mutate at times, but there were plenty. I moved onto ’80s Spidey for the first time period, and the first series is hilarious, especially Doctor Doom, but the second series with Iceman & Firestar is just another bad ’80s Hanna Barbera clone cartoon
i agree, tmi. i used to watch that show growing up, but the last time i saw it i was around 10ish i think, and looking back i realize i should never have watched it. i feel a small cartman vibe coming off you at the last pannel willis
The X-Men cartoon is better than any Transformers cartoon ever made.
I think quite a few people would disagree with this statement.
I have only watched the first transformers and beast wars, but x-men is definitely better than those two by a mile. The first transformers is no less tiff but with much worse writing, and beast wars has the most badly cheesy writing and worst timing I have ever heard.
WRONG wrong Wrong wrong. wrong Wrong WRONG Wrong. You’re wroooooooooong. ~ Dr. Cox.
nah, the biggest problem with x-men would be the stiff animation and the odd sense of redundancy in most episodes, but the original Transformers series has both of those in spades with worse characters! Meanwhile as much as I think nearly every character (except rattrap basically) looks pretty awesome in Beast Wars, and some of the voice acting is awesome in how it sounds, not a single character can stop delivering cheesy, stiff, mistimed voice acting, the redundancy is the worst of practically any high level cartoon ever (fight, even though there is a huge initial mismatch, usually favoring the bad guys, no one is hurt and everything goes nowhere, both sides retreat due to the pseudo-science cop out, and onto the next episode!). The constant awful camera turns are just an added bit of awful on top.
I have bronchitis right now too. My doctor just gave me antihistamine, but judging by my continuous hacking I’m sure fanboy tears are far more effective
Hey, it’s ok if you make fun of Fox X-Men.
After all, you like Beast Wars and the original TF comics. So we already know you’re full of it and have no taste.
Feel Better!
Damn it. My brain just keeps trying to figure out what the toy silhouettes are on your desk.
I am pretty sure they are Transformers.
Damn, now I wanna go back and rewatch all those X-Men episodes. I remember loving them when I was a kid, and I’m sure I’d still love them now, albeit for entirely different reasons. A lot of that looks like it’d make for some great unintended comedy.
Not exactly sure why you would need antibiotics for a simple bronchitis – most of them are viral. Unless you have some sort of smoking history, or are of old age, or this is going on for a bit longer than expected, then I would consider bacterial and therefore antibiotics. Antihistamines should do the trick.
And usually if you have a bacterial bronchitis it’s either azithromycin (Z-pack) instead of clarithromycin (same class, so no biggie). Doxycycline can also be another alternative antibiotics.
I will concede that the fifth season was terrible.
I am going to frown at you so hard that I hope your computer screen shatters.
Feel better David.
Hah, man. I feel so horrible for recognizing every single one of those clips.
Fox’s X-Men was just… bad.
As long as you don’t die from facepunching…..
Agreed on the X-men.
Ginger helps. I get a mild form of bronchitis every once in awhile, and ginger always helps.
So wait, making a montage of all the silly parts of a cartoon without context makes that cartoon shitty? I’m not even saying the show was good, it wasn’t, but you could just as easily throw together the shitty/silly lines/scenes from any 80′s, heck any, cartoon and make it out to be crap. They all have silly/stupid parts to them, that is part of almost all cartoons. Normally when willis lets his fanboy hate show he at least backs it up with a valid point. I guess its no big deal, I’ve just grown to expect better out of this comic then “what you like is shitty cause I said so, go cry about it, I’m trying to upset you anyways”. I’ll just blame it on him being sick, it can be hard for anyone to produce quality work when they aren’t feeling well.
I’ll admit it. I enjoyed the FOX X-Men, but it’s a ‘It’s So Bad It’s Good’ enjoyment. The scenery chewing large ham and eggs (“Oh boy! Tutti frutti!”) and narm aside, the series did a reasonable job adapting the classic storylines. Heaven forbid you try to start mid-season, though. Figuring out what’s happening would be a big chore.
That said, X-Men Evolution was a better series, and I haven’t seen Wolverine and the X-Men.
Hey Willis, don’t forget to poke fun at the Super Mario Bros movie!
My current avatar is perfect.
hahaha. yes.
You can find the entirety of Wolverine and the X-Men for ten bucks in bargain bins if you know where to look. Got the metal box set in a convinience store for pity’s sake.
Say whatever you want about that X-men cartoon.
We wouldn’t have Marvel vs Capcom if it wasn’t for it.
What?
Marvel vs. Capcom is the end result of a line of Marvel/X-men games that started with “X-men: Children of the Atom” that was based on the Fox cartoon. That theme carried through the other games straight to Marvel vs. Capcom 2. I believe they even used the cartoon’s voice actors.
Woah. That is actually kinda amazing.
They did indeed – certainly as far as Wolverine and Cyclops went. Cal Dodd bellowing “BERSERKER BARRAGE!” as a digital Wolvie sliced up the Juggernaut was always great fun
It always sounded more like “RASSA FRASSA RAA!” to me.
I was partial to Rogue’s “Good night sug’.”
My only regret is that I have boneitis…
I mean bronchitis.
I mean get well soon guy
In case anyone is without health insurance and needs emergency antibiotics: erythromycin is available over the counter for treating tropical fish. Normally one might hesitate to use animal medicines, but there is NO real reason in this case – fish are more sensitive to most impurities in these types of things than humans, so the stuff is fine. I’ve treated a nasty lung infection with it while unable to afford a doctor or scripts. Just make sure you know it’s a bacterial problem first. The bathroom-dash mentioned is caused by the stuff eradicating certain bacteria in the digestive track, along with some degree of local irritation, depending on the person. Remember to dose by body weight, as this is a systemic antibiotic.
Remember that this information is for informative, emergency and scary bunker person use, if you have access to a doctor or clinic, USE IT.
That video makes the show look super watchable actually. When the truth is it was an action show where Wolverine would pop his claws and hit either 1) the weapon the enemy was carrying, 2) the wall or floor, or 3) nothing. You’d think they’d go all TMNT and have a ton of disposable robot guards but… no not really. And before you say the Sentinels, they’re only around sometimes and are often surprisingly tough.
meh, at least it was better than beast wars.
Isn’t this sort of hypocritical when you defend Beast Wars as you do against people who say it’s shit?
I thought the Fox X-Men cartoon was great. Not excellent, but great. It touched on a lot of elements other children cartoons didn’t dare tread.
I goof on the 90s X-Men toon as much as anyone, and even I don’t get the point of that video. If it was that the series had bad animation and acting, not all of the clips conveyed that. If it was just that a lot of stuff happened…well, yeah. 76 episodes.
I think it is making fun of the long recap at the beginning of each episode. Since so much happened in each episode, the recap was almost always 2 second clips with no context strung together in a way that explained nothing about what happened.
As far as I’ve been able to tell, Walker Texas Ranger recaps followed the same pattern.
That X-Men series will always remain as one of my all time favorites.
Not azithromycin? Strange. That’s what I was prescribed when I caught the bronchitis once.
My impersonation of the FoX-Men cartoon:
Scott: Oh, hey Professor X, the UPS guy is out front.
Professor X: Let me just gaze into his mind to see what he’s brought us toda…AHHHHHHH!!! THE POWER!!! *Falls out of chair*
I don’t get it. I just watched that youtube video, and all that did was convince me that show was awesome.
The 90′s Xmen and Spiderman were fantastic cartoons, especialy in later seasons.
Sure, not up there with the works of art that is Gargoyles, Batman Animated or even, more recently, Spectacular Spiderman – but they were still solid cartoons with good ongoing storylines particularly in later seasons.
They felt like they actualy went somewhere. Problem today is superhero cartoons seem to only last one or two seasons, cut of or rebooted so you never get that much build up. I’m enjoying Joung Justice at the moment, so I expect it will get canceled soon enough.
Gotta agree with you there. Every time I’m enjoying something it seems to disappear. Spectacular Spider-Man was awesome, but I don’t even know if they’ll get the whole second season on DVD. I’ve never enjoyed superhero cartoons as much as I have recently. The dialogue is well done and hilarious, in most cases (Iron Man: Armored Adventures being another one that was really good, but doesn’t seem like they’ll be doing any more). It’s sad to see ‘em put some real work into these, just to have them fall into obscurity.
I’ll be sure to check that out.
Mostly I just follow Greg Wiesmans work
FoX-Men hurt me real bad when I was young. I remember looking forward to it when it was announced and then being horribly saddened by what finally aired. Everyone looked like they were made out of water balloons, every time Rogue screamed I died a little on the inside and outside, and it seemed that Jean had a ponytail because she looked like a horse.
Seriously though, while the show did a semi-good job of adapting classic storylines, it was a hot mess of animation, dialogue, and voice acting.
Woo, Clarithromycin. It’s pretty strong stuff, so one has to make sure to take them only on a full stomach, but I’ve never heard of diarrheatic reactions before.
Also, yeah, the Fox X-men cartoon… loved it as a kid, but I take it for what it is.
Oh, and that’s the GAMES, I’ll have you know. The anime was shit from the start.
Man, this got misplaced. Meant to be in reply to my earlier comment up there ^
The side effects must be something terrible though.
The x-men animated series was decent. I mean it was probably the dest ninties Marvel cartoon of course that’s not saying much I know. Still it was leagues better then the ninties Spider-man.
The fifth season of Spider-man almost destroyed my soul with it”s utter horribleness.
Idk, if it’s as much fun as watching those clips, then it might be awesome. I could never get into it as a kid for some reason.
90s X-men Toon was always Terrible. The stories weren’t great, but its biggest sin was the HORRID animation. The show was always and agressively ugly and baddly animated in a way that made the cartoons of a decade earlier look like masterpieces.
Yeah right, at least these shows have art and some varying facial expressions (okay maybe not on professor x, storm, or cyclops), but Scooby Doo never had even that much.
Dear David: Please take all those antibiotics strictly as prescribed. Don’t make the mistake of “I feel fine, so I’ll stop/save some for the next illness.” That sort of thinking helps give us antibiotic-resistant illnesses. I’m not going to go into details, but I really, really hate drug resistant tuberculosis strains.
The teardrops from fanboys stuff? THANK YOU for making sure the supply is plentiful.
I haven’t seen the old X-Men toon since back then, so it’s cool for all I remember. It was best when they showed it out of order, which was all the friggin’ time! One day they’re in space, the next they’re in the past, after that they’re in the Savage Land, then out of nowhere, Prof. X is wearing a cape, flying, and laughing like a maniac! Good times. Never really figured out what was going on most of the time…
That X-men cartoon was the beginning of the great Superhero cartoons we’ve all come to know and love. Good writing, classic story lines (though I admit it was clumsy animation).
Before that all we had was Spider-man and his Amazing Friends.
Don’t get me wrong I enjoy that one as much as anyone, but it is a bit re-donkey-lous.
Maybe I just liked it cuz I was a bit older and it came out when I was in my comic book phase.
Rogue and Scarlet witch were way to Gothy in Xmen Evolution. Wolverine and the Xmen was tons better. Probably the best adaptation yet (‘cept that Cyclops got shit on yet again). Its sad that they couldn’t come up with funding for another season.
HA! Given that I was pretty much the last remaining person who was posting in that conversation, I can only assume that this is directed primarily at me: I’ve been personally addressed by an internet celebrity! I’m one step closer to being declared a memetic sex god.
Admittedly it was kind of dickish of me to argumentatively kick a sick person’s ass badly enough that he felt the need to put together an *entire comic* to attempt to ‘rebut’ me – but what can I say, I do enjoy debate. Of course the main reason I was debating this is because I figured you’re smart enough to actually recognize the error in your thinking, unlike some, so that part you can take as a compliment. It had nothing to do with being saddened or enraged at your dissing of X-Men of course. Heh!
Regardless, this whole being ill thing is *clearly* throwing you off your game; hope you get well soon. In the meantime I’ll be amused by how the people in these replies are not lining up with you in a solid wall of 80′s X-Men hate. (Or, for the most part, crying either. :p)
Actually, I wrote it after reading that Dick guy’s post, the one about 1995. Our conversation happened later.
Darn it, my memetic sex god status is in serious doubt then!
My tears are tears of joy whenever I hear someone have the guts to admit that. I hope this doesn’t cause you any side effects.
No, I think the diahrea is a result of your body rejecting your hatred of the X-Men cartoon. If you keep this up you’ll start experiencing organ failure! :O Repent your heresy!
I didn’t hate X-Men, though I didn’t regularly watch it. It was too vested in the era of X-Men after the one I followed — too much Mister Sinister and Apocolypse, with random Clairmont/Byrne era stuff thrown in to fill in backstory — but I was impressed with how hard it tried to actually adapt the comics instead of simply starting from scratch.
I think, in terms of the evolution of cartoons, X-Men was an important development step between the 80′s era action cartoons, sans violence despite being about… you know, any number of elite attack squads or transforming robots of war… and the era of the Powerpuff Girls, Dragonball Z (in America), and Samurai Jack.
Put another way… without this cartoon on the one side and Batman the Animated Series on the other side, we wouldn’t have had any of the rest of the DCUA, the Ben 10 Trilogy, the X-Men/Wolverine movie franchise (and through it the Spider-Man movies and the Marvel Studios House Universe) in anywhere near the same form.
For its time, it was edgy and controversial. Now it’s hokey and cheesy. In terms of contextual cultural development, it was significant.
Which doesn’t, you know, actually make it good.
I liked the X-Men cartoon as a kid. It is still better than half of the cartoons on cartoon network.
On a side note, I have been introducing a friend to the joys of Batman:TAS and it is awesome as I remember.
4:28 – “Lady, you picked the wrong girl to adopt!”
I lol’ed
The 90s X-Men is cheesy to be sure, but it certainly isn’t worse than the recent “Everyone Is Useless Without Wolverine” show.
Nightcrawler had no need for Wolverine and told him to shove off, and was awesome nonetheless. Of course, he did rip somebody’s mechanical arms off and proceeded to threaten to do the same to their organic limbs, which is a pretty high level of badass for a nominally kids’ show.
Really? Despite the name Wolverine and the Xmen had a pretty good character balance imho. Purhapes a bit too relentlessly grim (watching the superb Spectacular Spiderman and WATXM back to back gives a bit of a mood whip-lash), but it had quite solid storytelling and characters and near the end a very strong arc.
I also liked how it didnt retell any storys, allthough techiquely a seperate cannon, the storyline could have been more or less set after the 90′s Xmen and thus made it more enjoyable for me to watch then a strict “fresh start” style scenario.
Fox X-Men is a product of its time. Marvel was experimenting at adapting current comics so it wasn’t gonna be perfect. Came out around 92, so I have no beefs about it. I did enjoy the show, especially the Apocalypse eps of the first season.
Now Iron man/Fantastic Four First season of the Marvel Awful-I mean action Hour with the friggin Organ playing when the bad guys came on- That is CRAP in a bowl with sprinkles on top. Second season was a ton of win, especially Fantastic Four.
I have a bunch of episodes on VHS (taped from TV) and I love to watch em’ from time to time. Commercials make shows 100000X more awesome!
Get better Dave.
Of course they give you diarrhea, those new x-men episodes have to come from somewhere.
Willis, don’t worry about it. Your awesome recognition skills have been accurate enough times in the past that we will happily forgive you this one time for being wrong about Xmen. Just remember….you ARE totally wrong, and it WILL be just this one time.
I think this video was trying to be funny more than just make a point about recaps, but it needed to be more tightly edited, like he should have asked some friends to help him cut out some moments. Some moments like Bishop picking up and putting his gun down while awkwardly walking and looking around are hilarious out of context, others bomb.
This video accurately portrays that you could kill yourself with a drinking gamein season 3 and every time “Jean!” or “Jean…” is uttered.
The Super Friends sucked ass too, but that cartoon still has its fans.
(Just because I can…) Much of it demonstrated how horrifically it was hamstrung by it’s time, but the last season bears a look or two at, in my opinion. It has (I believe) the first screen portrayal of Batman’s origin story, in a surprisingly dark episode for a show that gave us the wonder twins.
Plus, after watching Superfriends you will think that Fox X-Men is a freaking work of art!
Classy.
The Fox X-Men cartoon had terrible animation, voice acting was cheesy, writing was alright with a lot of comic stories adapted. My memories of it are probably better than actually watching it.
But if we’re going into it, the original Transformers was pretty bad too. One episode would have Optimus be like twice as tall as Bumblebee, and another would have Bumblebee come up to his ankle. The laser beams went all over the place and never hit anything. There were tons of characters around and many really contributed nothing to any given episode. Animation wasn’t great and the writing wasn’t classic or anything.
Basically if we’re going to talk about cartoons we liked as a kid, only a few (Batman:TAS, for example) are really going to hold up.
No. I think the X-Men cartoon is getting an especially bad rep for being simultaneously dramatic and cheesy. I have to agree that the ‘built in’ shadows on the characters looks bad. I really don’t care to watch X-Men anymore. Since David is a competent cartoonist, I can see how X-Men might offend his senses.
I think Spider-Man cartoon holds up a lot better than X-Men.
Little late to the party here but I’ll throw my two cents in. I was a fan of Fox’s X-Men cartoon at the time, and it’s still fun to watch in its own nostalgic way nowadays, but it has aged HORRIBLY. Especially compared to the DC animation of the time. And yes, I preferred Evolution. The characters just seemed more like real people in Evolution and less like comic book archtypes.
Actually 90′s X-Men vs. Batman:TAS kinda reminds me of human evolution (and I apologize if this lacks scientific accuracy). Around 30,000 years ago, we had both Homo Sapiens and Neanderthals floating around the planet. One was destined to rule the Earth, and the other was a dead end in human development. At the time it would’ve been difficult to tell which would do which, but in hindsight it’s perfectly obvious. Guess which cartoon the Neanderthals represent?
I agree, that X-Men cartoon was terrible, in every sense of the word.
The Fox X-Men show was indeed terrible! But because it existed, someone was able to put together that compilation video, which made me laugh my ass off for ten straight minutes. So basically, I’m really glad it existed.
Not going to link it?
I think he means the one in Willis’s post.
IMO the Fox X-Men is the 2nd best adaptation we’ve gotten. Top is Evolution – played with the premise, but it worked. Then the Fox series, with its adapting actual comic stories. Next comes Pryde of the X-Men, which showed a lot of promise in the pilot, apart from making one of my favorite characters a whiny brat. After all, Nightcrawler, my other favorite, saved the day!. Finally, there’s Wolverine & the X-Men, which failed at the title. I hate Wolvie with a passion, unless Claremont’s writing him, then he’s tolerable. About the only thing they got right was killing Emma Frost. That show pretty much embodied why I don’t buy or read any X-Men books anymore.
Because Wolverine is the point-man for every super-team in the Marvel universe? I figure he realized (off camera) that he could cut off his limbs and they’d grow into new Wolverines like a earthworm. Thus everyone gets a their own Wolverine! Now he can be fighting Skrulls in outerspace with the Avengers while also defending the X-mansion while the X-men are on a mission with Wolverine.
X-Men: Evolution was terrible because it made every one of the X-Men (that wasn’t Wolverine) into Spider-Man.
Yes, I think exactly the same (at least Wolverine wasn’t its focus) about X-Men Evolution. But…I loved the character designs, they were freakin’ awesome (specially Rogue, so SEXY, and the bad guys), at least X-23 ended up in MVC3. Hands down, I have to admit that X-men Evolution is INFINITELY better than those dumb Ultimate X-Men comics (gay Colossus? WTF?!!).
I kind of liked the old fox x-men cartoon.. even though I wasn’t into x-men evolution. I’m thinking of the one that sort of starred jubilee.
Sure it could of done better, but I don’t know I thought it worked. 1992-1997.. so I guess I was 11-16 years old (1981 birthday I turned 30 march second). This kind of makes me want to watch it again with my adult brain to see if I’d still like it if I watched it these days disconnected from romanticizing what I enjoyed as a child as a memory.
*offers tears* I loved the Fox X-men…
Lol XD
After watching the video (I haven’t actually seen the show since I was a little kid), I guess I have to say I like Fox X-Men the way I like Dragon Ball Z.
I know it’s crappy. But I don’t care. It’s almost like I like it cause it is crappy XDD.
Try taking acidophilus pills (found in any vitamin section) or McCarthur A+ (acidophilus) milk to replenish the healthy bacteria in your stomach. The antibiotics kill the good with the bad, leaving you with the poops!
Also, the X-men cartoon was hilarious and awesome. I remember they called it a “superhero action drama”. What could be better than that??
Get well soon, though.
I’m not sayin’ it wasn’t flawed, but it was easily the best thing on at the time, and so many things wouldn’t be here if it hadn’t proved it could do what it.. did.. for animated superhero tv shows.
or so I assume, because that is what people say in situations like this
I could be hella wrong. Oh hey, quit having bronchitis.
THere, I intimidated your lungs into getting better ^_^
It actually ran simultaneously with Batman TAS, which Willis here would tell you is 100x infinitely better no contest. And the reason they’re different: X-Men wasn’t *trying* to be the next new thing, it was trying to adapt the old X-Men comics, stories, style, voice, and all. One presumes that its creators were fans of the thing – though apparently no sane person likes the X-Men franchise, apparently.
Later animated takes on the X-Men have borrowed a lot from Batman TAS – including the ground it fought hard for on the fronts of widening standards, and the daring ground it broke in proving that cartoons can be targeted to adults too. Of course, that’s only *later* takes on X-Men mimiced Batman TAS’s successful formula – the original couldn’t because it came out at the same time.
“I’m not sayin’ it wasn’t flawed, but it was easily the best thing on at the time, and so many things wouldn’t be here if it hadn’t proved it could do what it.. did.. for animated superhero tv shows.”
“Batman” and “Gargoyles” say hi.
Exactly. I always felt it fit in perfectly with those two. Stunning art, intelligent stories, proving animation could be for adults. Adapting the actual feel of comicbooks, and appealing to the people that read them.
Of course at the time I thought Spider-Man was doing it too, but that hasn’t aged nearly as well..
all that video does is make the cartoon look hilarious, which is good
“BOBBY SHUT UP”
All this hate for Fox X-Men just reminds me of all the great Transformers cartoons there have been…..Oh wait the original series was the only decent one, with the exception of Beast Wars.
I guess you must hate the Teen Titans art style, then, huh? That’s about the only obvious peg I can see to hang a hate for TF animated on.
(I can think of *lots* of reasons to dislike the stuff from Japan, though. With you there.)
I know it’s probably sacrilege to say this here, but the biggest peg against TFA, for me, was characterization. Or rather, lack of consistent character growth among the main characters. Unless you were Prowl, Optimus, or (debatable) Sari, any emotional or personal growth a character got was completely rebooted the instant it was beneficial to the plot. And all the characters got profoundly dumb whenever it was needed for plot (re: not seeing the honking fat Autobot logos on Jetfire and Jetstorm, and vice versa).
Of course, this mainly bugged me because the rest of the show was good, with a strong continuity, so I always felt like the writers could do better and didn’t understand why they (or the executives in charge of approving scripts, to be fair) kept falling back on these cheap tricks to further the story.
But that’s all just me.
Okay, I’m being unfair. Ratchet did get a good character arc in the third season.
Yah the big honking faction symbols that apparently no one can see bugged me in all the Transformer incarnations.
There’s a scene early in G1 season three that I loved for this reason. Some C-list autobots are doing some decepticon clean up on earth; this is the season that starts 20 years in the future when the war has moved into space you see. Anyway, they’re searching for decepticons at a military base and make up a story about how they’ve got this device that detects decepticons. So the hiding Dirge and Ramjet make a break for it and get caught.
Did they really need a fake decepticon detector for this? They didn’t think they might be the 20 year old fighter jets with giant decepticon logos amongst the futuristic space fighters? Personally I like to think that the autobots saw through their awful disguises on sight and were screwing with them.
If you take probiflora (or the equivalent,I have no idea if thats a universal drug or just an SA thing) then the Klacid shouldn’t give you a bad stomache.
=p
Here’s something to make you chuckle, looks like Cobra has succeeded in taking over the British Government. Well the Cobra Committee of the Cabinet Office at least
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12711587
Hey, you’re still a Hoosier, right?
The Children’s Museum’s ad for their new costume exhibit is about how they stole Batman’s costume, and now he can’t fight crime. See if you can catch it on the radio.
0:34 makes me happy
Oh god. THANK YOU!!!!!!
I hated FoX-Men with a passion. And this is coming from someone who really enjoys X-Men comics. But FoX-Men and Fox Spider-Man both were disgraces to superheroes and animation. And when you stack them up against their contemporaries like “Batman TAS” and “Gargoyles,” they definitely come up lacking. Batman and Gargoyles had beautiful animation, mature storytelling with well developed characters, and high quality voice acting… thanks to Andrea Romano and Jamie Thomason (the two best Voice Directors in the biz). FoX-Men and Spidey had none of these things.
“Wolverine and the X-Men” wasn’t perfect, but they did a lot of things better… especially Magneto. That was another problem with FoX-Men. Where was Magneto? He wasn’t their adversary… he was that guy they had minor disagreements with. He fought the X-Men in his first appearance before Apocalypse came in and took center stage as main antagonist. Because it was the 90′s… and Marvel wanted to push that boring cardboard villain. Apocalypse sucked then and sucks now.
Yeah, it took Marvel a long time to get quality animation. “Spectacular Spider-Man” is still their best show. “Avengers” is fun. “Wolverine and the X-Men” had some great points, despite all of its flaws. But the animation is better, and god knows the storytelling and voice acting are much better now.
Fox X-Men was just coming off the era in which Magneto was an ally, and briefly a member of the X-Men. He replaced Chuck as headmaster and taught the New Mutants (much to their “joy”). Fox Magneto was very much in keeping with that portrayal. And Wolvie was a major team member, but not constantly the focus, like these days in the movies, and the comics, and the most recent cartoon.
I still say WATX is the worst of the X-Men shows. I’d rather watch a series based on “The X-Men Adventure” with Cyberiad as the main villian!
FoX-Men was such shit. Such utter, utter shit.
I can’t watch the xmen or spiderman cartoons anymore (yes, I liked them the first time around- don’t you judge me!). The animation is so bad it gives me a headache. It reminds me of trying to play a pc game back in the days when computers barely kept up with the software and 15 fps was “playable”.
Oh, hope you feel better soon Willis. Remember to drink lots of fluids.
Fox X-men was my first real indtroduction to the world of the mutants. It had terrible animation of course, and the stories sucked cause they tried to shoe horn in these huge storylines into 3 part episodes, and but you have to give them credit for trying. And boy howdy did they try. *L*
It wasn’t great but I look back on it with moslty good memories.
Wait.
Um.
I just re-read the archives. Are we just going to forget that http://www.shortpacked.com/2011/comic/book-12/08-this-is-so-babies/birthday/ ever happened?
I liked the X-Men cartoon… how can you hate such beautiful lines as, “Tell scott I made his car a convertible.”?
Yeah, I’m not a crazy FoX-Men fan, nor do I like the ad hominem I’m about to dish, but…dude, you genuinely enjoy Beast effing Wars. You should know about popular terrible shows.
I am the worst geek ever. I have my opinions on what I like and what I don’t like but none of my opinions are so strong I would waste time telling someone else they are wrong just because they don’t agree with me.
As for the bronchitis that sucks I was out sick a month last year with that. I hope you feel better soon.
FoX-Men may be bad for most of you, but… it doesn’t compare to Mtv Spider-Man.
“Yeah! Let’s invent most of the bad guys cuz’ we’re between two movies! Oh, and the series finale doesn’t have to make sense or have something to do with Spider-Man 2!”
I hate this whole notion of grading on a curve. Just because the MTV Spider-Man cartoon sucked, doesn’t mean FoX-Men was magically better than it was.
I find it more probable for that medicine be made with the spit of fanboys you angered than tears XD
Oh, it was shit, yet still better than the ‘ooh look they’re all in high school!’ crap CW (or was it still WB?) was showing a few years back. I still remember freaking out one morning because Fox’s broadcast was nonexsistent and I was gonna miss the crapfest – turned out the WTC had been carbombed. I was 19.
My brother and I loved watching the X-Men 90′s cartoon. We could already tell it was cheesy. And that’s what made us love it. Especially the over-acting in it.
The Spiderman Cartoon is way better IMO, but I’m biased.
… I don’t remember it being that corny…
I actually liked the 90′s X-Men cartoon but there wasa lot of bad moments. “Does a Mall Babe Eat Chilli-Fries” Whut? personally I’d take it over the 90′s Spider-Man Cartoon God that show get’s worse evey time I think about it.
I don’t cry when you say that because I’ve excepted that differing opinions are totally a thing.
Total agreement. I mean, WTF was up with Wolvie’s magic size-changing cowl/mask thing?