You spelt discrimination wrong.
Or am I discriminating against people who make spelling errors? I never can tell.
No he didn’t O.o
Either he fixed it pretty early on, or you need your eyes checked
You spelled “spelled” wrong.
No, it was right.
Ugh, this joke has run it’s course…
Unless you’re really so twatish you aren’t being a troll but are just that ignorant… then I really have to worry…
Did I just troll myself?
People do tend to not realise what the Irish have gone through, mostly because it’s a British country.
Here’s hoping Jacob can come back soon.
And by that, I mean it’s on the British isles, it’s not a part of the country
I dare you to go to the Republic of Ireland and say they’re part of the British Isles.
I dare you to go to Northern Ireland and tell them they’re NOT British.
Fair point. Unfortunately Mr. Herbert there didn’t specify which country.
Pro tip: Calling the Irish ‘British’ is one of the easiest ways to **** them off there is. Second only to mixing them up with Scottish (Just take my word on that one). British tends to refer to the island of Great Britain itself. Welsh, Scottish and English are all British, Irish aren’t. It’ll save you some potential hassle.
Scots tend to get a bit antsy about being called British, too (although, technically, it is correct), mostly because most people who say it tend to use it to mean ‘English’.
No, when we say ‘British’ we mean ‘Scotsman who’s good at sports’. When we say ‘Scottish’ we mean ‘Scotsman who’s not good at sports’.
It’s a delicate bit of language.
Still better than using “English” as a stand in for “British”.
Yeah, it’s kind of like accidentally calling a Puerto Rican a Mexican, or mistaking a Korean for being Japanese (or vice versa). One of those mistakes you generally only make the once.
Nah, you make it over and over again, you just learn to use vague terminology or avoid the subject entirely.
That reminds me of a joke about a Jewish guy who was in Hong Kong on business. He started to give a Chinese guy a raft of $#!+ about Pearl Harbor.
The Chinese guy said, “Whoa! Wait a minute – I’m Chinese – the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor.”
The Jewish guy said, “Chinese, Japanese – they’re all the same to me!”
The Chinese guy then asked, “What about the time that the Jewish sank the Titanic?”
The Jewish guy said, “How could the Jewish sink the Titanic? It was sunk by an iceberg!”
The Chinese guy then said, “Iceberg, Goldberg – they’re all the same to me!”
The greatest thing about this joke is connecting it with Donatello’s creepy grin.
“British tends to refer to the island of Great Britain itself.”
Actually, we do have these British Isles.
I met a Scottish guy when I was in the States, and he said Americans kept thinking he was Irish. Which didn’t bother him because there’s a lot of crossing over between the two countries, but THEN they went “oh no, wait, are you English?“. And he was all WTF!
I think you have that sdrawkcab. All the Irish I know would be much, much more offended to be called Brits than to be called Scots.
And you dont hear us complaining about it. Generally
Yeah, i’m a poor son a bitch. And that sucks. But it is what it is.
To be fair though a lot of Irish Americans dont have to deal with the scars of the past like other groups do. And those of us that remember our heritage have a strong sense of national pride both for our homeland and our new home.
More to the point, the Irish went through a lot of discrimination here in the Untidy States. It was the worst during the big waves of Irish immigration in the mid-to-late 19th century — see Gangs of New York — but it continued right up until the middle of the 20th. Half a century before Obama was labeled a Muslim, people were convinced that Kennedy was going to make the Constitution subordinate to the Pope.
Plus you folks are forgetting that Americans also discriminated against the Irish, using almost the identical stereotype the British did. It’s a non-starter today, but throughout the 1800s it was extremely prevalent.
To steal from the Daily Show: “Race Card: Void during a black presidency.”
Are you kidding? The Race Card has rarely been played so routinely or with such vigor. Where Republicans purportedly claimed that it was wrong to disagree with Bush “because he’s a wartime president”, it’s now the fashion to claim that disagreeing with Obama makes one a racist.
I’ve never heard that personally, but then again, I live in the southern United States. People here tend to be racist anyway, and no matter what Obama does, he is wrong and evil.I voted for him, and although i don’t agree with everything he says, I definitely don’t think he is doing a horrible job. But he can’t do anything right to most people i know here. Some days, I really hate Americans, and I am one.
You know, people actually thought when Obama got office, they wouldn’t have to pay taxes or need gasoline. Seriously, they did an interview, and people said this.
Back in the 40s Whacking Day was used as an excuse to beat up the Irish…
Oh, goody. Amber’s gonna make a deal with the devil to get Jacob his job back, isn’t she? -.-
Are people still racist against Irish these days? Just wondering.
Only other Irish people.
I’m honestly curious; I imagine white people are about as hard tot ell apart as, say, Chinese/Japanese/Koreans, so I don’t see what racism could there be anymore other than country of origin; bringing up stuff from the past always seemed like a strawman argument to me.
Here’s a short story to aid in sating your curiosity. (This didn’t happen to me, but the story’s best told that way).
I was travelling through Dublin one day when some policemen pulled me over. Leaning down to my window one asked me “Are you Protestant or Catholic?”
“Atheist” I replied.
“Fine, but are you a Protestant Atheist or a Catholic Atheist?” He asked.
Ah, RELIGIOUS racism!
Gotta love that.
How about this one?
A tourist asks a policeman in a small town:
‘Are there any churches here?’
‘Well, the Christian is up on Main Street, the Protestant is two streets down that way, and the Anglican is near the end of that street.’
‘Amazing, are there no atheists in this town?’
‘Well, I don’t know, but they certainly has no churches yet.’
Or the stock variation:
An old rabbi decided to take a hike through Ireland. He’s stopped by a militant carrying a *lot* of weaponry. “Be ye Catholic or Protestant?” the militant demanded.
“Neither, my son,” the rabbi replied. “I’m Jewish.”
“Praise Allah!” the man replied and gunned the rabbi down.
I really don’t think so, at least in America.
I have a few relatives in Boston that like to act like THE MAN is still out to get them, but most of them are wannabe thugs/gangsters anyway, so there you go. They’re basically a bunch of hoodlums that take the Dropkick Murphys too seriously.
Notably they’re also the most overtly racist/xenophobic people I know. And that’s saying something considering I grew up in the rural south. I guess that type of attitude goes hand in hand with a persecution complex.
I haven’t really seen overt anti-Irish hate, but the discrimination is still here, if only in small ways. It’s mostly jokes, but the prejudice still gets passed along. Irish people in this country completely get what Poles go through.
Which makes my mixed Irish and Polish ancestry so much fun.
I also rarely drink and have never owned anything coal-powered
I do love potatoes, though.
Good to know I’m not alone in the Irish/Polish ancestry deal.
Sadly I do enjoy my Guinness and I’ve been known to do quite a few stupid things in the past so I guess I’m just asking for the abuse…
But who doesn’t love potatoes?
Also, kielbasa with a pint of Guinness sounds like a good meal to me. Shit, now I’m hungry…
Dude, try being Greek, Irish, Polish, AND Cuban.
Let’s see, I’m Irish, english, possibly some Scottish somewhere in there, and apparently somewhere in there I have Jewish DNA as well, Cherokee on both sides of my family, as well as German. I’m pretty much a mutt, but I love being one, because that’s just more heritage to be proud of.
So that one old bigoted Irish lady on Rizzoli and Isles was accurate?
don’t know your history, do you?
In America? No. Over in Europe, though, there are still some issues.
In the UK yes can be, but I can’t see any other country in europe where they aren’t loved. Much more difficult to be from Turkey.
On the Irish discrimination in the USA: I grew up in Seattle, I didn’t even know my last name was Irish (slightly different spelling than the Scottish version).
Mind you the neighborhood I started out in was mostly black with poverty level white (probably called white trash these days) with a bit of Asian mixed in. All the kids got mauled by the same dogs owned by the same bad asses, very race neutral that way. Actually maybe the whites sicked ‘em on the black kids and the blacks sicked ‘em on the whites, I don’t know. Didn’t matter from my point of view. But, I did learn that some people REALLY didn’t act at all like Mr. Rodgers on TV.
But back to the Irish thing, when I was 20 something, some folks who were (recently) from Ireland commented I wouldn’t do so well is some parts of Ireland… My first name is a traditional English surname (mom’s maiden name) combined with the Irish last name = BIG Political Statement (I’m not telling the likes of you what my name is, you’re all webcomic readers, shifty no goods you are)
I understand that in England, the Irish are still a bit discriminated against, but when I visited there I didn’t notice it. Didn’t try to get a job or marry anyones daughter though.
It’s much like how Yankees view Southerners as generally white trash, in many respects.
“I understand that in England, the Irish are still a bit discriminated against”
Not particularly these days, outside of jokes that are decades past their sell-by date. This is partly because of generations of trading, tourism, and (let’s face it) shagging each other; partly because we’ve got new people to be racist against for all Taking Our Jobs or Being Terrorists!
In Britain, you sometimes get beat up if you’re ginger.
I know the white side of my family swears there is no Irish in our bloodline and seems to be very proud of that fact. However, they are also the kind of people that claim they are not racist because they have mixed race grandchildren/niece+nephew, just before they say the most racist things.
Why is Gallasso hiring Pat Lee to replace Jacob?
Glad that wasn’t just me.
Me three. I expect him to enter the store whilst backlit by a mushroom cloud.
So since Faz and Ken are both douches does that mean Willis hates Asians?*
*I don’t think Willis is racist, it’s simply that everyone in Shortpacked is a douche. Except for Leslie and Jacob (so far).
I think it’s too early to call Ken a douche – he’s only said two sentences…
I was expecting him to rip off his shirt right there and say something megalomaniac.
That can’t possibly be Pat Lee. He’s wearing a shirt properly.
I was wondering why Galasso was calling Pat Lee ‘Ken’?
Super disguise power, activate!
Oh god, you thought that too?!
*joins the crowd*
I’ve been wrong before. Don’t think I’m wrong about this one though.
“Irish” is not a race.
White/Caucasian is a race.
Black/Negroid is a race.
Asian/Mongoloid is a race.
“Hispanic” is not a race (dispite what Ronnie may have said).
There is a big difference between “Race” and “Ethnicity” or “Culture.”
Mixed race people are a whole other discussion…
finally! someone gets it!
Yes honestly how can you write a comic without doing your research in the Very Precise And Serious Science of Race.
The way people so flippantly brush it off you’d think it was some arbitrary horseshit rewritten daily to conform to the current state of power relations.
Honey, we’ve been together for a while, and i love you dearly, but it’s time I admitted something…. I can’t tell if your being sarcastic or not.
I… I can’t either! I lost track!
It is annoying, though, when my Asian friends get offended when I call them Chinese, but I they think all white people come from England.
<3 <3 <3
You mean “Eugenics”?
Darn those Nazis, ruining eugenics for the rest of us.
Darn Khan, ruining eugenics for the rest of the rest of us.
I’m not sure what this has to do with anything, though.
Irish is a culture, and you can discriminate against a culture. Considering the Irish were basically treated like slaves by the British for nine hundred years, you really, REALLY can discriminate against them.
In my language, the word race is only for horses, human only can have phenotypic differences. Still don’t get it how a generic black “race” can come from Africa, Pakistan, Oceania, Japan or anything where they are black because others are whiter (i.e. hottentots vs herreros populations)
Capripede is right. Hispanic is not a race (although they call themselves “La Raza”, or “The Race”). Hispanics can be any skin tone of the rainbow, from as white as Pablo Picasso to as black as Sammy Sosa.
Even if it wasn’t possible to argue that that three race based system wasn’t out of fashion `white/caucasian’ still wouldn’t be the description of one race because quite a few caucasians aren’t white. The arabic and sub-continental asians of India & Pakistan etc ethnicities were/are classified as caucasian, not mongoloid or negroid, under that old three race system. It was about facial structure & body type more than skin colour.
Is the boldfont & repetition of the phrase “ONE MORE DAY” a Spider-Man reference since we know Jacob is a big-time Spider-fan?
…or am I just overthinking this & also am too huge a nerd?
Nah, I said the same thing just a few comments up.
I thought it was a Les Miserables reference, but it’s in the wrong order.
I’m happy Pat Lee got an interview. Tough job market.
They fucking banned Asian people from moving to the USA from like the early 1900′s to 1960. And they stuck the Japanese in camps. Early discrimination against the Irish largely subsided, because, like the other European immigrants, they are all white and they all fully integrated into US culture.
I highly doubt Amber was referring to racism from Americans towards Irish.
Why do you think that?
Also, Eric: yeah, I grew up in Seattle, and I’ve had a number of friends whose parents or grandparents got their businesses, homes, and livelihoods jacked when they were sent to internment camps. But I’d claim that discrimination against Asians has largely subsided, too, as US culture has absorbed more and more elements from Asian cultures.
If you pick any immigrant community — Polish, Italian, Irish, Russian, Cambodian, whatever, and you’ll find that they’re *still* being discriminated against.
All right… we’ll give some land to the niggers and the chinks. But we don’t want the Irish!
This is made even more disturbing by the fact that your character image is Captain America when you write that.
@Shift – CJ used a line from “Blazing Saddles”. I was going to use it myself until he beat me to it.
One of the residents of Rock Ridge, the name of the town in the movie (whose residents all had the last name of Johnson), used that line, in a very thick Irish accent, as though he was discriminating against himself.
Here’s a link to CJ’s line from Blazing Saddles on YouTube:
I think we should settle these matters of discrimination in a sensible manner. Twice yearly, we should have a nationally broadcasted five minute break. We’ll bring out the Big Wheel O’ Races and Nationalities. We’ll let the Vice President spin the wheel and where so ever it lands, that’s who we’ll nationally scapegoat for six months. That way, it’s fair.
All I’m saying is that my parents were only able to immigrate into the US in the early 70′s, because that’s when the laws finally were made lax enough to make it so that Asian people could actually move into the freaking country. I’m stating a simple fact: white immigrants were able to successfully integrate because they are white. It’s why we didn’t round the Germans up into camps.
In Canada they did.
I’m not saying it was anywhere near the scale of the programs carried out against Japanese-Americans, but it did happen. My grandfather’s parents emigrated from Germany about 10 years before WWII and while they weren’t forced to move their treatment was nothing to make light of.
Nope, it happened over here, too. Not as bad as in the UK/English-occupied Ireland, but there was a time when signs in business windows saying “No Irish Need Apply” were commonplace. Discrimination against Irish wasn’t nearly as bad as against blacks, but it was quite real.
It’s actually not all that clear that “No Irish need apply” signs were ever commonplace in America. There’s only one known instance in the US. Irish American songs about them were mostly imported from across the pond (“No Irish need apply” signs had been common in London).
That’s not to say they weren’t discriminated against, of course. The stereotypes were pretty vicious. See also: the Know-Nothing movement.
Well, if she isn’t referring to American discrimination against the Irish, her point is a little disingenous, since she may have Irish ancestry but she is American born and raised. You can’t really say to someone who experiences racism currently and daily in America “Well, my ancestors had a hard time too in some other place!” and expect them to embrace you as a sister.
Jews. Armenians. Cuban Batista symps. It’s pretty much the only condition under which oppressed groups get recognition in America.
Mike fucks Ken?
Stop shipping the Eyecandy. it makes me want to see it.
Ken looks a lot like your rendition of Pat Lee, Willis!
KEN’S LIPS BOTH DISTRACT AND HORRIFY ME.
While they don’t horrify me, I do keep chanting “DSL” in my head when I look at this character.
A shiny imaginary nickel for the person who knows what that stands for.
Distinctly Soaked LASERs, right?
Man… a lawyer could put out discrimination pamphlets in this store and retire.
To be fair, Irish children are delicious.
Well played, good sir.
You magnificent bastard, I read your book!
Your response was Swift and to the point.
OH-HO! Is funny because Irish people have been discriminated against for very long time!
…wow, I’d forgotten that comic existed.
I see what you are doing there, he has the same character type as Pat Lee and his name is Ken, so his name is Ken Lee.
Not to claim to speak for all English people, but I haven’t seen any discrimination against the Irish since… ever. For Pete’s sake, we’re the country that celebrated their Patron saint’s day more than our own, because there’s involves drinking and ours involves uncomfortable accusations of racisim.
(On the other hand, I don’t like current day Americans claiming some sort of race-memory as a discrimination thing. There’s a chance that Americans/Asians could get discriminated against. But would Amber ever get that just because some of her ancestors came from Ireland? Unless she is actually Irish and she moved when she was young and still has her accent, but I always thought she was American.)
Interestingly enough, there are some small shops, mostly in lower Manhattan, that still have the “No Irish Need Apply” signs… now treated very much like a joke… or at least I hope so.
Dude. He’s accusing a toy store employee of running the world.
Pointing out a historical racism against the Irish isn’t exactly inappropriate.
Oh yeah, I agree. i was more wondering about Amber generally.
Attend a Glasgow Old Firm match. You’ll see it.
To be fair, football derbys are best avoided if you don’t want to see the absolute worst of humanity, and the Old Firm derby is right near to the top of the “tetchy” list.
There is still some against them. And for sure they suffered plenty in the past. Often the Irish were only able to immigrate as contract workers, which were little better then slaves.
Generally, any employer with 15 or more employees must comply with a variety of laws that fall under the jurisdiction of the EEOC, including those governing, equal pay, age discrimination, discrimination on the basis of disabilities and discrimination on the basis of race, sex, color, religion or national origin.
So Galasso just needs to get back under 15 employees if he hasn’t already and he can hire and fire whoever he wants to.
I think he’s already well under 15, unless has an army of as-yet unseen employees waiting in the wings.
I can picture the ad in the paper literally saying, “Wanted: quota position!”
I’m Asian. >_> <_< Been reading before I even came to Indy.
So do our lips really stand out like that? I noticed you did the same thing with that Pat Lee dude.
Would be nice to have an extra character. The only other Asian on board is Faz, and his Faziness is not exactly inspiring (although did he get that from his mom's side, or his dad's side? hmmm).
Well, Faz’s lips don’t stand out like that. Neither do New-Billie’s.
Wait, Billie’s Asian?
Half-Asian. Her full name is Jennifer Billingsworth. Her mother is asian.
Faz and Billie are both half-Asian though…
Pretty sure Dina’s Asian! And none of the girls that came rushing out of Jacob’s room earlier in the arc had the lip thing.
The Asian next-door-neighbors on King of the Hill are drawn with similar mouths. Not really sure why; it looks right on a drawing, but I’m trying to picture real Asian people that I know, and they don’t really look like that.
Sooooo…Glasso is hiring Pat Lee?
An extra charater would be nice as well. Mike needs a new person to pick on
Oh my God, you should kill Kenny. You Bastard!
Isn’t Amber American? Have I missed something?
I’ve read all of shortpacked (not right just then, but over several years) and don’t recall anything about her not being American.
Who said she wasn’t American? She’s referring to ancestry.
IDk where you’re from but in my experience, there is often a disconnect in conversations like these between Americans who tend to associate terms like Irish etc with ethnicity and Europeans who tend to associate them with nationality/citizenship. By my first understanding of the word, Irish people are from Ireland and Amber is plainly an American, but not so the other side of the pond.
Ahh, very insightful Britninja. But yes, I’m English. I do love those differences in language.
As someone else on this board pointed out, her surname is O’Malley, so certainly a good enough reason for an American to claim being of Irish descent.
I did a lot of historical research into San Francisco last year for a series of games. In the early 1900s, the racial divide in San Fran was that the #1 discriminated against people were the Chinese, followed closely by the Irish. Other Asians were considered “Chinese” and the Scottish were (likely to their dismay) considered “Irish” by the culture at large. The blacks, hispanics, and Jewish were generally accepted as equals.
I dunno how that relates to Amber’s comment. Just thought it was interesting.
So I’m the only one who thought “Ken” was just Ethan in disguise?? I hope he’s not a new permanent character, because his resemblance to Ethan is just too distracting.
Besides, if Galasso fires Jacob, won’t he need a new black person to fill his quota? I need to re-read this plotline.
So, are Ken’s lips there for the sole purpose of distinguishing him from Ethan? Will there be jokes about Ken’s girlfriend, Barbie?
I was thinking Ken from Street Fighter
Amber is American but every American has a right to his or her culture. I come from several cultures and can claim shared history with all of them. On the other hand my American White German heritage wife was accused of owning slaves by a Cuban American whose family was in the states longer than my wife’s. Everyone is allowed to identify with their ancestors but no one is allowed to define others by the same.
While we’re criticizing Willis for irrelevant things, it should be “WE Irish” instead of “us Irish”.
So is it bad that I instinctively hate Ken solely because he’s drawn with Pat Lee’s lips?
Don’t you read the Bible?! It’s in the book of Second Hesitations! “Thou shalt hate Ken’s lips, dude.”
and no i’m not trying to bash anyone’s religion. “Second Hesitations” is just fun to quote.
OK, that last panel? That’s not a comeback that’s gonna win you any points, both of you.
Her last name is O’Malley.
Every handsome Japanese man is named Ken. This is the law.
I’m roughly half Irish. To be honest, even with that I’ve never seen any actual anti-Irish bigotry in the US, ever. I’ve seen this weird “kick a ginger” thing, but that seems more based on looks than ancestry. Everyone hears you’re Irish nowadays and is like THAT’S AWESOME LET’S DRINK rather than “Oh, you must be out to mug me, drink yourself unconscious, and then tell the Pope to personally set my house on fire.”
I’d be pissed if I were the asian guy.
go back 100 years, and try to escape discrimination, it was a lot more rampant back then, or at least more public
I can’t help but find it amusing that people are actually arguing the semantics about this. You don’t need to be a race to be discriminated against, and arguing that she mentioned a culture instead of a race is really missing the point. Hell, she could have said ‘us women’ and her point would still be valid.
Actually, since the world is run by white men, it would’ve been about a thousand times more valid.
Since we’re all talking about how much **** the Irish have been through in the past, who wants to see a video of Dara O’Briain talking about it?
actually this kinda hits close to home. I almost decked out a black guy for saying that the Irish were the same as all other white people.
Black girl here.
Then that means you are the same as all other people with skin darker then us?
No, black people are distinguishable from Asians for example. Irish people ARE white people, and thus not distinguishable. Irish people faced discrimination in America in the past. Irish people do not face discrimination in America anymore in the present. Because they are white. “Irish” is a culture, not a race.
If you see a black person and an Irish person you do not think “Oh, a black person and an Irish person.” You think “Oh a black guy and a white girl.”. She should have stuck with gender instead.
Right because the English didn’t almost completely wipe out hte Irish before they ever discovered Aferican americans… No your right
“We Irish,” not “us Irish.” =)
Just Fire Jacob.
I think that— screw it, nobody cares about my opinions, so there’s no point in sharing them. I’ll just spout some random slightly offensive crap and not check for spelling errosr, cuz I’M MOTHER****ING BATMAN, Y’ALL.
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