Next page, Roz is very quiet, with an angry but odd look on her face, walking past the front counter. Robin starts to say something, but Roz holds up a hand and says “Don’t.” She walks out, and we can clearly see the large, plush unicorn stuffed horn-first up her ass.
Well, the early comments on this one are proving men are fragile, angry and prone to violence over something which if the genders were reversed they’d probably find hilarious. Neat.
Genders reversed…so a slutty guy coming on aggressively to an comfortable girl? Yeah, sounds like a laugh riot.
Well, I agree that the comments apparently advocating canon violence against Roz for her transgression are a tad…extreme. She’s annoying and all, but being shot down with a simple “no” should suffice.
Oh please… Everyone would have the same reaction if the roles had been reversed. In fact the reaction probably would have been worse with suggestions involving the guy being kicked so hard in the nuts, they would have become internalized.
I don’t see it. Maybe it’s just me. I wouldn’t find either hilarious, and I’m sure some women would want to stab the guy for making fun of fact they have a sex addiction (or lack there of).
I’m not into violence myself, but if I was in Jacob’s shoes I’d be a bit pissed too.
Perhaps more to the point, if Jacob had been a female character, it would have been “hilarious”. Considering the amount of (often deconstructed) girl-on-unwilling-girl action so far, this is possibly what Willis is pointing out here.
Yep! I’m a self-important idiot for thinking that commenters reacting to a girl laughing at what she thinks is a lame excuse as a stab-in-the-face offence. The gender reverse would just be a guy laughing at a girl for an “I have a sex addiction!” version of no. She didn’t try to force him nor in a gender reverse would he try to force her.
No, you’re a self-important idiot for assuming that all guys are assholes who wouldn’t consider that a horrible thing for someone to do, and lecturing us all about it.
Yay, cartoon violence! Face-stabbing is just too fucking real and ugly and actually happens and it is a little disturbing when a commenter leaps from *giggle* to *face-stab!* as if that’s somehow just what you do when some woman laughs at you.
The main part of that is “Cartoon Violence” because people support the stabbing of faces in a cartoon with aliens and super powers doesn’t mean that the next time a girl hits on them unwillingly they will think “Maybe I should stab her in the face. Get off your high horse.
Yes. What a very, very high horse I am on with my condemnation of realistic and ugly threats of face-stabbing being called for over fucking nothing in a strip that is (unlike some of its fans, apparently) gender respectful and inclusive. I think I’m getting a nosebleed.
Yes, while cartoon sexual harassment is just cartoons doing silly things, cartoon characters getting stabbed in the face is a very real issue we must all be aware of.
You know, if I didn’t know it was Roz, and she came up to me looking like that in that first panel – I’m fairly certain I wouldn’t be able to say no. Again, if I didn’t know who she was and all the various issues she brings with her.
So if a girl you’d never met in your life came up to you and wanted to have sex, you’d find it impossible to say no? Looks like Jacob isn’t the only one with a sex problem.
Roz’s approach is pretty blunt, eh? Makes me wonder if she’s really as skilled a succubus as she acts like she is. That’s a very nice panel one of her, but I could still imagine her falling flat with that line more often than not.
I know a girl who has both a unicorn AND a sex addiction. The unicorn isn’t real though since I have no idea how long it’s been since she’s qualified as a “pure maiden” (plus, I think you lose bonus points for bragging about your boyfriend’s junk in the same way fishermen do about the one that got away… I wish I was joking).
Can’t really fault Roz for her reaction, “sex addiction” is probably the literal stupidest thing ever. If you’re a living, concious human being past the age of puberty, you want to have sex. The ferocity of ones sex drive is variable, and how much influence you allow that one drive to have over your actions is entirely within your control, but you might as well call yourself a food addict because you want to eat food a couple times a day.(yes I know there are people who do, in fact, consider themselves food addicts- they’re almost as stupid as people who say they are sex addicts, and generrally more annoying). Heck, I guess I’m an air addict; I just can’t seem to give that stuff up, I’m always wanting more. I try to resist, and sometimes I make it a couple of minutes before the withdrawl symptoms are too much and I take another dose….
At what point did people start deciding that any behaviour or activity that deviates from some arbitrarily determined “norm” is a disorder? It’s the most absurd way to run a society. There’s a full range of emotion, from luminescent joy to incinerating anger to paralyzing terror to soul-aching sorrow, as well as an enormous panoply of desires, motivations, and inspirations, and to shun these things is to deny the very essense of what it is to be alive, and the institutinalisation of such a mindset is a guaranteed ticket to extinction.
Welcome to the vast, multifaceted, ever-changing wonderscape that is the human experience. It’s ok, really – we feel it too.
I suppose drug addicts are also able to control how much they want their next fix as well, they just don’t want to stop?
People can get addicted to anything, even if the addiction itself isn’t inherantly addictive- If someone subconciously thinks they need something on a regular basis, whether they conciously want it or not, it can easily become an addiction.
An addiction is doing something so much that it is detrimental to your life & is more of a source of badness rather than good. Food addicts aren’t people who “hurr I eat a few times a day hurr” it’s when they eat so much that they feel unable to control the amount & rate at which they are eating. The same is true for sex addiction. Jacob, presumably is he’s being diagnosed, wasn’t just very sexually active, but rather was having so much sex all the time that it could be seen as unhealthy & dangerous. I know people like this, people who want to stop living a certain way but don’t know how to curb the need, & who have sought help.
It’s funny, because the punchline of this strip is Roz being an insensitive jerk in not acknowledging the validity of something that has been a big problem in Jacob’s life, & then you basically do the same thing down here.
It’s almost like a second punchline! Except less funny & more sad.
Anyway, thank you for the comic, Mister David. I was genuinely shocked when Jacob was able to turn away Miss strap-off-the-shoulder, & even gave a little fist pump for his fortitude. Let’s just hope he can keep it up once she ups her game! (Which, as has been pointed out, is probably made easier by her jerkiness.)
Yes, I sympathize with Roz’s viewpoint here- I said so right at the beginning of my initial comment; Yes, addiction is a real thing, like heroin or nicotine create a chemical dependency; that’s an addiction. Doing lots of something because it feels good and you like it, be it eat, have sex, read, play video games, or whatever, is not an addiction. If it negatively impacts other aspects of your life, that doesn’t mean you have an addiction, it means you lack the willpower to deny your particular desire. Calling this type of behaviour an addiction is generally an attempt to shirk responsibility, but hey if you need to call it an addiction in order to regain control of yourself, you go right ahead.
Which is nice and all, but I’m pretty sure that having sex does cause demonstrable biochemical reactions in the human body. If sex didn’t make us feel good, we probably wouldn’t bother spending so much time and energy in pursuit of it.
you know what is not “addictive” in your sense of addiction? Cocaïne. Give it a try everyday and I assure you you will understand how wrong you are. But only cause of your own lack of willpower, dumbass.
Yes, addiction is a real thing, like heroin or nicotine create a chemical dependency; that’s an addiction. Doing lots of something because it feels good and you like it, be it eat, have sex, read, play video games, or whatever, is not an addiction.
…unless it creates a chemical dependency, at which point it becomes an addiction.
Unhealthy emotional connections with Food or Sex are just as capable of altering brain chemistry such that the endorphin released upon consumption constitutes a chemical dependency. Even in cocaine and alcohol addictions, it’s not the substance that your brain craves, but the endorphin levels created by the substance.
Sex addicts have developed a brain chemistry wherein the specific endorphin levels generated by sex overwhelm the conscious, decision-making parts of the brain. No different than any other addiction.
“Doing lots of something because it feels good and you like it, be it eat, have sex, read, play video games, or whatever, is not an addiction. If it negatively impacts other aspects of your life, that doesn’t mean you have an addiction, it means you lack the willpower to deny your particular desire. “
So, it isn’t an “addiction,” it is just a compulsive need that controlls someone’s life? It is merely the state of being enslaved to a habit or practice that one cannot easilly break?
Just what is your definition of “addiction” anyway? I suspect that it disagrees with commonly accepted definitions.
Yes, because people with a problem with alcohol, narcotics, prescription drugs, and gambling are just looking for a scape goat to dump their irresponsible behavior onto. Yup, physical addiction is just a leftist, hippie, communist construct; thank you for pointing that out to us.
From your tone, I’m sure your heart is in the right place. But you are incorrect; sex addiction is real. Food addiction is real. Beanie-baby collecting addiction is real. Just because a person doesn’t go into physiological withdrawal when they stop the activity doesn’t mean that they don’t endure just as much, or sometimes worse, psychological withdrawal. You may have the self-esteem and attitude to avoid these disorders, but try to keep in mind that not everyone may be as strong as you believe yourself to be. If you’d rather call it an obsession or a psychological addiction to differentiate it from a narcotic addiction, that’s fine. However, that should not negate its severity.
Since everyone else already is pointing out that you certainly can be addicted to sex/eating etc just like you can drugs, I’ll just be the one to take issue with the ‘everyone past puberty wants to have sex’ issue by reminding that there are, in fact, asexuals. As in, people with no interest in having sex with anyone, ever.
How many times do we have to point this out in comments: Sex addiction is a very real, very damaging thing and it’s not fucking funny. People like you are dense as hell and I can only wish you never have to go through something like it even though that might make you see why what you’re saying is dumb as fuck.
The ferocity of ones sex drive is variable
It’s possible to be addicted to almost anything. Eating, shopping, internet, shoes, organization– any activity which causes pleasure or satisfaction can when taken to extremes be an addiction; where it’s no longer about pleasure, but a raw need for that specific stimuli or you get twitchy– feeling a lack that no other form of release will satisfy.
Is Sex Addiction its own ‘thing’? No… it’s a specific pathology of a larger phenomena of addictive behaviors– either compulsive or analgesic that we give a special label because we find it particularly interesting/objectionable.
That doesn’t make it non-real though.
No, you’re not alone. While I find confidence attractive, she comes of as extremely phony. She’s obviously selfish and inconsiderate, what with her just moving into the house and being so pushy towards Jacob.
Sex Addiction is not a universally recognized diagnosis, and there are plenty of people both inside and outside of the mental health field who don’t believe it exists. Mental health isn’t the hardest of sciences and diagnosis tend to appear and disappear with some frequency. Roz strikes me as a person who has a lot of sex without at any point feeling like she’s lost control of herself or her life, and it’s pretty easy to believe that a person with that experience of sexuality would have a hard time believing in Sex Addiction, and would instead assume it’s more or less how it was presented in South Park.
Seems to me Roz just thinks he’s joking, and is laughing extra hard at his joke because she wants to sleep with him. She might have a different reaction when she realizes he’s actually serious, given how generally empathetic and/or casually manipulative she’s been in the past. Say what you will, she’s not the kind of person to just insult someone or laugh at their problems to their face.
Very true that it’s not universally accepted. And I think that Roz was laughing because she lumps “sex addiction” in with belief in the Tooth Fairy.
A few years ago, if you went to the doctor with complaints that matched fibromyalgia, the doctor would likely think you were a screwball or a fraud trying to game the system with a phony disease. Now, they’ve changed that attitude, and there are actual treatments for it and drugs targeted for it. They now treat it like a real condition. But it wasn’t long ago that even a doctor would smother a giggle if you said you might have fibromyalgia. (No, I don’t have it, I have complications from a broken neck, which gives the phrase “pain in the neck” a whole new meaning for me.)
This condition is REAL for Jacob, and he feels it is dangerous enough to ruin his life if he does not control it. And now not only is Roz trying to tempt him, she’s not accepting a polite “no”, and she’s laughing at his reason as though it’s stupid. If she laughed at “diabetes” for the reason for his refusal to share a candy bar with her, it’d rightly outrage people who know that if he ate the candy, he’d be doing something legitimately unhealthy for himself.
She’s so self-centered she needs a time-out with a pineapple buttplug. But in this case, a plush unicorn would be funnier.
I don’t know if anyone else pointed it out, but it’s very possible that Roz has aspects of sex addiction herself, so by denying it exists for Jacob, she’s also denying it within herself.
I feel for Jacob. It isn’t always easy to say “no”. It’s difficult for beautiful people like myself (ha!). But good on’em- at least he’s making an effort to help himself.
I’m having a hard time understanding why there’s so much anti-Roz sentiment down here in the comments. I personally kinda like Roz and have known many girls much worse, whom I get along with great. And even if we stick to the characters in Shortpacked, Robin has proven multiple times worse. Let’s compare.
When Roz first turned up she helped solve some long-running problems with the main characters by being attentive and serious.
When Robin first turned up, she caused lots of long-running problems with the main characters by being oblivious and selfish.
When Roz moved into the area, she moved into a vacant room owned by her older sister, going so far as to pack up Ethan’s toys carefully and considerately.
When Robin moved into the area, she moved into Amber’s tiny apartment, by being both verbally abusive and using emotional blackmail. Purely so that she could live next to Ethan, the guy she had a crush on.
Speaking of which.
Roz is being direct with her intentions towards Jacob. Even if she is being insensitive towards his addiction, she’s making her motives clear from the start.
Robin, however, is a whole other story. I’m quite certain neither Ethan nor Amber are over the emotional turmoil Robin put them through over the course of several years.
I’m not saying any of this makes Roz any better. But she certainly doesn’t deserve the kind of hatred being directed at her. Especially since the only person she has been outwardly mean to has been her older sister, who has been previously shown to deserve it.
And as a side note. I do find Roz attractive for a cartoon.
The thing is, you know where you stand with Robin. Yes, she’s done a LOT of terrible things, but she was never subtle about it. You knew that all her actions were the result of her having the mental maturity and impulse control of a toddler on a sugar high. You’ll note, in all those situations, Robin fails to realize that her actions have consequences until those consequences are staring her right in the face. And even then, she’s obliviously.
Roz meanwhile is obviously a lot more skilled at getting what she wants than Robin is, and has has demonstrated a great deal more mental maturity than her. Her actions are just as selfish as Robin’s have been, but unlike Robin she’s aware that her actions have consequences. And so she is intentionally putting on these fake-personalities, and manipulating those around her to suit her personal needs, in the hopes of avoiding those consequences. She does one small nice thing like packaging Ethan’s toys, in the hopes that it will help make him overlook the fact she’s moving into their home without their permission (which by the way, the home is under Leslie’s name, not Robin’s, so Roz should have gone after her).
Roz’s reaction to Jacob’s situation comes off as one of the few times we’ve really seen the true Roz. We saw a glimpse of true selfish behavior.
This is not my attempts at justification of Robin or Roz’s behavior, mind you. But someone once said that its easier to forgive the dunce who doesn’t know any better, as opposed to the master-mind. Or something along those lines.
And remember, this comic isn’t about Robin. It’s about Roz’s current actions that are bothering us.
So we should just forgive Robin for all of the terrible things she’s done just because she’s an idiot? But because Roz knows that her actions have consequences we should berate her? I’ve never liked double-standards much, so I don’t apply them. (As much as humanly possible, at least).
I’d also like to ask where you get the idea that Roz is putting on fake personalities. As far as I can tell she’s been pretty consistent in her desire to get what she wants in as blunt a manner as possible.
And I’m going to have to check the archives now to find out if Roz actually knows that the house is in Leslie’s name. Because according to your own standards, if Roz didn’t know then she can’t be blamed right?
No, as I said, I’m not justifying her actions, nor am I saying either situation is preferable. I’m just explaining logically why people might feel one way over the other out of instinct, not conscious logical thought.
I personally feel they are both bad girls for how they have handled obviously similar scenarios (i.e. moving into a place without permission). However, Robin comes off as more genuine than Roz does. You know Robin is being Robin. Roz… I feel like she’s being what she thinks people want to her be.
Perhaps this does create the fact that many people could prefer one to the other. Not by much mind you, because I agree, both should be held to the same standards. And in some ways they have. Most of the characters don’t really like Robin that much (both Ethan and Amber have shown times of open disdain for her). And I’m sure there is a large selection of fans who have wanted Robin smacked around for her actions.
But again, that’s not the case her. You’re suprised by people’s hatred of Roz. Robin doesn’t even appear in this comic. All we’re discussing is how people here don’t like the way Roz is behaving in THIS particular comic.
As for Roz’s fake personalities that impression (at least for me) comes from two thing.
1. My personal reaction to her upon her introduction. She came off as every fake girl I’ve ever known (which unfortunately is a lot). The ones who will do nice stuff in the hopes of getting something bigger and better in return.
2. Was Leslie’s reaction to Roz. Leslie is essentially the most logical person regarding the group in most scenarios. And although Les was nice to Roz, she herself stated that Roz did not come off as real. (http://www.shortpacked.com/blog/comic/book-9/07-hello-roz-goodbye-reagan/authentic/) Her reaction was exactly how I felt about the character.
And if Roz knew that Amber was forced to move out, and knew enough that there was an empty room, and thus made to move in, I think she would have known who’s name was on the house. I mean, obviously she’s keeping tabs on them.
And either way, she moved in without telling the actual residences of the place until she was already there. Just moving in and saying “I’m living here now” doesn’t go over well normally.
But people’s angry reaction to Roz versus their accepting reaction to Robin is my point. If you’re gonna hold one person up to a certain standard then you should hold the other person up to the same.
I would like to clarify that the previous comment was to everybody, not you AMD. You are holding them both up to the same.
And here’s a link showing the other characters jumping to Roz’s defence when Robin mentions using physical violence. Even Mike. http://www.shortpacked.com/blog/comic/book-9/07-hello-roz-goodbye-reagan/macbook/
As for Roz coming off as fake…. From what I can tell re-reading the archives, all she does is respond differently to different people. She doesn’t contradict her likes or dislikes, or do a massive turnaround in personality. If anything, she seems rather genuine. She even admits to her own superficiality.
But as I said, I’m betting people have the same reactions to Robin’s behavior as they do to Roz’s behavior in this comic. You just can’t see it because the comment areas regarding Robin’s earlier misdeeds (i.e. moving in forcefully with Amber) are blank, due to David changing the site-design long those stories ended. There’s probably plenty of Robin-related rage in the old forums or something.
While people accept Robin (partly because she’s been a primary character who fans have been reading about for years and years in two separate comic series thus growing accustomed to her, and partly because of her child-like impulsive nature making her slightly more adorable, much like a dog eats a house plant but doesn’t realize that was a bad thing), that doesn’t mean that she’s completely immune to the same sort of scorn being aimed at Roz in this particular strip. I’m certain many fans rage against Robin with the same level if not exceeding this level for her actions.
But since this strip, again, is about Roz, that’s where the anger is going. If this had been Robin trying to force Jacob into sex, I’m betting the reaction would be the same.
As for Robin’s comments in that strip regarding physical violence against her sister being rebuffed… well that was the whole point wasn’t it? Roz walks in, and ten seconds later, she’s gotten everyone to love her and side with her. That’s what she does. She get’s people to like her. Part of being a cam-whore. But we saw her interaction with Robin before hand. Roz clearly enjoys antagonizing Robin (what younger sibling doesn’t?).
When she met the group, she didn’t seem like the same person who greeted Robin at the bus. And even Roz admits to being shallow in a later strip. She doesn’t go for depth, but instead she goes for a surface appearance. And in this case, she showed them each the sort of person they wanted see and probably wanted Robin to be like. For Amber she got someone who appreciated her quiet nature. For Ethan he got someone who showed him attention, but offered to him cute boys. For Mike, he got someone who had no issue with his looks of murder. She tailored herself for each of them.
No, she didn’t contradict herself. That’s the sign of a true master. Like Leslie said, she’s like a used car salesman. She tailors her pitch to each person, while never dropping the ball. She jumps from one to another, giving them something they’d like, hoping to get a nibble. Its nice, but there’s something artificial about it.
And you have to remember that all of the other characters are single children (I think), and probably don’t understand what its like to have sibling rivalry. So the idea that Robin could dislike Roz is unthinkable to them. They don’t realize that Robin has grown up with Roz and knows her better than they do, and that perhaps Robin has some particular reasons for his behavior (I’m not saying there is, but its possible).
People usually side with the devil they like, over the devil they hate. Again, it’s a double standard, but a true one, regardless.
And I’m not entirely sure you can really side Mike into any sort of situation like this. He’s Mike. He’d fuck Robin’s mom if he knew it would make her even the slightest bit uncomfortable.
As for moving in, Roz said she should come visit, and Robin agreed. Never did Robin say “You can totally move in without asking.” Roz decided that solely on her own, and didn’t consider anyone else in that decision.
I honestly don’t see a ton wrong with her actions. Maybe I’m wrong, but there are so many ‘disorders’ and ‘diseases’ that are just a matter of moral (or amoral) decisions that they become overwhelming. Sex Addiction comes off as being the same, and that is what Roz is commenting on.
It’s like Tiger Woods. “I have a sex addiction.” No, Tiger, you are rich and amoral. Hence, Roz’s natural, and comedic, reaction.
But there’s a difference between Tiger Woods and Jacob. Woods only claimed sexual addiction after he was caught cheating on his spouce.
Jacob has been claiming sexual addiction for years, because he realized that he was totally consumed by the desire to have sex, admitted to himself that he had a problem, and has actively abstained from allowing his addiction from consuming his life further.
Woods’ behavior, as you mentioned was amoral. Jacobs is coming from a deeply personal and moral standpoint. He truly feels that he has a problem, and is doing something about it. Woods would have kept going because he could.
I guess Roz thinks that physical addiction is a myth. But then again, this is Robin’s sister after, so she more than likely has the same view of reality; she ignores things that go against her desires.
That was funny, and I dislike Roz more now.
Mission accomplished if that was your goal.
Making it easier and easier to say no.
Here’s hoping he’s not chivalrous and stabs her in the face. Hooray for face stabbing.
Doesn’t need to be chivalrous himself. Ninjas at his disposal and all that.
I kind of wish Roz did have a unicorn. A unicorn would make this comic even more awesome.
At least until Mike does something horrible to it. Poor Unicorn…
Unicorn. The other white meat.
http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/unicorn-meat.shtml
nom
I miss Ronnie…
Not if it was a death ray firing Unicorn death terminator transformer! Giant Battle with backup laser firing Reagans and blaster hamsters!
blaster hamsters ftw i believe.
What would a unicorn want with Roz?
Oh yeah… laugh in the face of the guy who you want to bone. That’s one hell of a seduction technique that you got there Roz.
Luckily for her, that’s my fetish.
“Hate at first sight” is a common trope in romantic fiction.
Next page, Roz is very quiet, with an angry but odd look on her face, walking past the front counter. Robin starts to say something, but Roz holds up a hand and says “Don’t.” She walks out, and we can clearly see the large, plush unicorn stuffed horn-first up her ass.
Well, the early comments on this one are proving men are fragile, angry and prone to violence over something which if the genders were reversed they’d probably find hilarious. Neat.
Genders reversed…so a slutty guy coming on aggressively to an comfortable girl? Yeah, sounds like a laugh riot.
Well, I agree that the comments apparently advocating canon violence against Roz for her transgression are a tad…extreme. She’s annoying and all, but being shot down with a simple “no” should suffice.
Oh please… Everyone would have the same reaction if the roles had been reversed. In fact the reaction probably would have been worse with suggestions involving the guy being kicked so hard in the nuts, they would have become internalized.
But thanks for the sexist opinion of men.
A horny guy aggressively coming onto a reluctant girl sounds more like a recipe for outrage than hilarity.
Come on, this is Shortpacked!, not Penny Arcade.
Oh, please.
Penny Arcade has more jokes about Gabe being a closet case and Tycho and Gabe killing each other than rape jokes.
Wouldn’t that be every Faz comic ever? Holy crap… ROZ IS THE FEMALE FAZ!
> A horny guy aggressively coming onto a reluctant girl sounds more like a recipe for outrage than hilarity.
Uhm, or everday, every waking hour, in every city on the planet (Sol 3, aka Earth).
So at what point did you and logic have such a disastrous falling out that you’ve abandoned it so utterly?
I don’t see it. Maybe it’s just me. I wouldn’t find either hilarious, and I’m sure some women would want to stab the guy for making fun of fact they have a sex addiction (or lack there of).
I’m not into violence myself, but if I was in Jacob’s shoes I’d be a bit pissed too.
Speaking as a woman myself…. Forgot that earlier >_<.
Perhaps more to the point, if Jacob had been a female character, it would have been “hilarious”. Considering the amount of (often deconstructed) girl-on-unwilling-girl action so far, this is possibly what Willis is pointing out here.
One! One self-important idiot in the comments! Ah, ah, ah!
Yep! I’m a self-important idiot for thinking that commenters reacting to a girl laughing at what she thinks is a lame excuse as a stab-in-the-face offence. The gender reverse would just be a guy laughing at a girl for an “I have a sex addiction!” version of no. She didn’t try to force him nor in a gender reverse would he try to force her.
Just a giggle. Sooo fragile. And defensive, too!
No, you’re a self-important idiot for assuming that all guys are assholes who wouldn’t consider that a horrible thing for someone to do, and lecturing us all about it.
*Sooo* fragile.
10/10 Congratulations, you really had me going for a while there.
Guys this person is a troll. She’s trying to piss people off with her idiotic narrow and sexist opinions. Just ignore her.
Gaaaah! If you two are going to argue: Get DIFFERENT avatars! It’s creepy!
*Ahem* Not male. And I still think he should stuff a plush unicorn up her ass.
Yay, cartoon violence! Face-stabbing is just too fucking real and ugly and actually happens and it is a little disturbing when a commenter leaps from *giggle* to *face-stab!* as if that’s somehow just what you do when some woman laughs at you.
The main part of that is “Cartoon Violence” because people support the stabbing of faces in a cartoon with aliens and super powers doesn’t mean that the next time a girl hits on them unwillingly they will think “Maybe I should stab her in the face. Get off your high horse.
Yes. What a very, very high horse I am on with my condemnation of realistic and ugly threats of face-stabbing being called for over fucking nothing in a strip that is (unlike some of its fans, apparently) gender respectful and inclusive. I think I’m getting a nosebleed.
Yes, while cartoon sexual harassment is just cartoons doing silly things, cartoon characters getting stabbed in the face is a very real issue we must all be aware of.
*also a girl*
If this was Facebook, I would “like” the heck out of this comment!
You know, if I didn’t know it was Roz, and she came up to me looking like that in that first panel – I’m fairly certain I wouldn’t be able to say no. Again, if I didn’t know who she was and all the various issues she brings with her.
So if a girl you’d never met in your life came up to you and wanted to have sex, you’d find it impossible to say no? Looks like Jacob isn’t the only one with a sex problem.
Roz’s approach is pretty blunt, eh? Makes me wonder if she’s really as skilled a succubus as she acts like she is. That’s a very nice panel one of her, but I could still imagine her falling flat with that line more often than not.
Hey now, she is as subtle as her older sister. Younger siblings are highly likely to emulate their older siblings.
I know a girl who has both a unicorn AND a sex addiction. The unicorn isn’t real though since I have no idea how long it’s been since she’s qualified as a “pure maiden” (plus, I think you lose bonus points for bragging about your boyfriend’s junk in the same way fishermen do about the one that got away… I wish I was joking).
Ooh, and Roz is out of the running for the tact award!
This is my favorite comment so far.
Well if Jacob isn’t interested you can send her my way…
I bet her unicorn is just as much of a dickhead as she is.
I would not doubt it.
am i the only one who thought the unicorn was jacob?
Can’t really fault Roz for her reaction, “sex addiction” is probably the literal stupidest thing ever. If you’re a living, concious human being past the age of puberty, you want to have sex. The ferocity of ones sex drive is variable, and how much influence you allow that one drive to have over your actions is entirely within your control, but you might as well call yourself a food addict because you want to eat food a couple times a day.(yes I know there are people who do, in fact, consider themselves food addicts- they’re almost as stupid as people who say they are sex addicts, and generrally more annoying). Heck, I guess I’m an air addict; I just can’t seem to give that stuff up, I’m always wanting more. I try to resist, and sometimes I make it a couple of minutes before the withdrawl symptoms are too much and I take another dose….
At what point did people start deciding that any behaviour or activity that deviates from some arbitrarily determined “norm” is a disorder? It’s the most absurd way to run a society. There’s a full range of emotion, from luminescent joy to incinerating anger to paralyzing terror to soul-aching sorrow, as well as an enormous panoply of desires, motivations, and inspirations, and to shun these things is to deny the very essense of what it is to be alive, and the institutinalisation of such a mindset is a guaranteed ticket to extinction.
Welcome to the vast, multifaceted, ever-changing wonderscape that is the human experience. It’s ok, really – we feel it too.
Except when it isn’t, in which case you have an addiction.
how much influence you allow that one drive to have over your actions is entirely within your control
Except when it isn’t, in which case you have an addiction.
I suppose drug addicts are also able to control how much they want their next fix as well, they just don’t want to stop?
People can get addicted to anything, even if the addiction itself isn’t inherantly addictive- If someone subconciously thinks they need something on a regular basis, whether they conciously want it or not, it can easily become an addiction.
An addiction is doing something so much that it is detrimental to your life & is more of a source of badness rather than good. Food addicts aren’t people who “hurr I eat a few times a day hurr” it’s when they eat so much that they feel unable to control the amount & rate at which they are eating. The same is true for sex addiction. Jacob, presumably is he’s being diagnosed, wasn’t just very sexually active, but rather was having so much sex all the time that it could be seen as unhealthy & dangerous. I know people like this, people who want to stop living a certain way but don’t know how to curb the need, & who have sought help.
It’s funny, because the punchline of this strip is Roz being an insensitive jerk in not acknowledging the validity of something that has been a big problem in Jacob’s life, & then you basically do the same thing down here.
It’s almost like a second punchline! Except less funny & more sad.
Anyway, thank you for the comic, Mister David. I was genuinely shocked when Jacob was able to turn away Miss strap-off-the-shoulder, & even gave a little fist pump for his fortitude. Let’s just hope he can keep it up once she ups her game! (Which, as has been pointed out, is probably made easier by her jerkiness.)
Thank you for that. I was about to say much the same thing from a position similar to Jacob’s. It’s good to see not everyone is so insensitive.
Yes, I sympathize with Roz’s viewpoint here- I said so right at the beginning of my initial comment; Yes, addiction is a real thing, like heroin or nicotine create a chemical dependency; that’s an addiction. Doing lots of something because it feels good and you like it, be it eat, have sex, read, play video games, or whatever, is not an addiction. If it negatively impacts other aspects of your life, that doesn’t mean you have an addiction, it means you lack the willpower to deny your particular desire. Calling this type of behaviour an addiction is generally an attempt to shirk responsibility, but hey if you need to call it an addiction in order to regain control of yourself, you go right ahead.
Which is nice and all, but I’m pretty sure that having sex does cause demonstrable biochemical reactions in the human body. If sex didn’t make us feel good, we probably wouldn’t bother spending so much time and energy in pursuit of it.
you know what is not “addictive” in your sense of addiction? Cocaïne. Give it a try everyday and I assure you you will understand how wrong you are. But only cause of your own lack of willpower, dumbass.
Yes, addiction is a real thing, like heroin or nicotine create a chemical dependency; that’s an addiction. Doing lots of something because it feels good and you like it, be it eat, have sex, read, play video games, or whatever, is not an addiction.
…unless it creates a chemical dependency, at which point it becomes an addiction.
Unhealthy emotional connections with Food or Sex are just as capable of altering brain chemistry such that the endorphin released upon consumption constitutes a chemical dependency. Even in cocaine and alcohol addictions, it’s not the substance that your brain craves, but the endorphin levels created by the substance.
Sex addicts have developed a brain chemistry wherein the specific endorphin levels generated by sex overwhelm the conscious, decision-making parts of the brain. No different than any other addiction.
It’s not rocket-surgery.
However it *is* brain-science!
“Doing lots of something because it feels good and you like it, be it eat, have sex, read, play video games, or whatever, is not an addiction. If it negatively impacts other aspects of your life, that doesn’t mean you have an addiction, it means you lack the willpower to deny your particular desire. “
So, it isn’t an “addiction,” it is just a compulsive need that controlls someone’s life? It is merely the state of being enslaved to a habit or practice that one cannot easilly break?
Just what is your definition of “addiction” anyway? I suspect that it disagrees with commonly accepted definitions.
Theno
Two! Two self-important idiots in the comments! Ah, ah, ah!
Given this comment, juxtaposed with the content of the comic itself, I find it entirely appropriate and on-topic to post the following Youtube link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-Wd-Q3F8KM
Yes, because people with a problem with alcohol, narcotics, prescription drugs, and gambling are just looking for a scape goat to dump their irresponsible behavior onto. Yup, physical addiction is just a leftist, hippie, communist construct; thank you for pointing that out to us.
From your tone, I’m sure your heart is in the right place. But you are incorrect; sex addiction is real. Food addiction is real. Beanie-baby collecting addiction is real. Just because a person doesn’t go into physiological withdrawal when they stop the activity doesn’t mean that they don’t endure just as much, or sometimes worse, psychological withdrawal. You may have the self-esteem and attitude to avoid these disorders, but try to keep in mind that not everyone may be as strong as you believe yourself to be. If you’d rather call it an obsession or a psychological addiction to differentiate it from a narcotic addiction, that’s fine. However, that should not negate its severity.
Since everyone else already is pointing out that you certainly can be addicted to sex/eating etc just like you can drugs, I’ll just be the one to take issue with the ‘everyone past puberty wants to have sex’ issue by reminding that there are, in fact, asexuals. As in, people with no interest in having sex with anyone, ever.
Good point, thank you for that.
Also, there are plenty of people who simply want to wait until marriage. A lot of ‘em don’t even have religious reasons.
How many times do we have to point this out in comments: Sex addiction is a very real, very damaging thing and it’s not fucking funny. People like you are dense as hell and I can only wish you never have to go through something like it even though that might make you see why what you’re saying is dumb as fuck.
The ferocity of ones sex drive is variable
It’s possible to be addicted to almost anything. Eating, shopping, internet, shoes, organization– any activity which causes pleasure or satisfaction can when taken to extremes be an addiction; where it’s no longer about pleasure, but a raw need for that specific stimuli or you get twitchy– feeling a lack that no other form of release will satisfy.
Is Sex Addiction its own ‘thing’? No… it’s a specific pathology of a larger phenomena of addictive behaviors– either compulsive or analgesic that we give a special label because we find it particularly interesting/objectionable.
That doesn’t make it non-real though.
Am I the only one who doesn’t find Roz sexy? At all?
No. I personally don’t understand the sentiment of “I couldn’t say no”
It would actually be exceedingly easy to say no…just not for Jacob.
No, you’re not alone. While I find confidence attractive, she comes of as extremely phony. She’s obviously selfish and inconsiderate, what with her just moving into the house and being so pushy towards Jacob.
Well, I actually meant physically too. Yes it’s a comic but I can see how several of the other characters are supposed to be attractive, but not Roz.
You are not the only one. I finder her to be rather cute, in her own right. But attractive? Not really.
Sex Addiction is not a universally recognized diagnosis, and there are plenty of people both inside and outside of the mental health field who don’t believe it exists. Mental health isn’t the hardest of sciences and diagnosis tend to appear and disappear with some frequency. Roz strikes me as a person who has a lot of sex without at any point feeling like she’s lost control of herself or her life, and it’s pretty easy to believe that a person with that experience of sexuality would have a hard time believing in Sex Addiction, and would instead assume it’s more or less how it was presented in South Park.
Seems to me Roz just thinks he’s joking, and is laughing extra hard at his joke because she wants to sleep with him. She might have a different reaction when she realizes he’s actually serious, given how generally empathetic and/or casually manipulative she’s been in the past. Say what you will, she’s not the kind of person to just insult someone or laugh at their problems to their face.
Very true that it’s not universally accepted. And I think that Roz was laughing because she lumps “sex addiction” in with belief in the Tooth Fairy.
A few years ago, if you went to the doctor with complaints that matched fibromyalgia, the doctor would likely think you were a screwball or a fraud trying to game the system with a phony disease. Now, they’ve changed that attitude, and there are actual treatments for it and drugs targeted for it. They now treat it like a real condition. But it wasn’t long ago that even a doctor would smother a giggle if you said you might have fibromyalgia. (No, I don’t have it, I have complications from a broken neck, which gives the phrase “pain in the neck” a whole new meaning for me.)
This condition is REAL for Jacob, and he feels it is dangerous enough to ruin his life if he does not control it. And now not only is Roz trying to tempt him, she’s not accepting a polite “no”, and she’s laughing at his reason as though it’s stupid. If she laughed at “diabetes” for the reason for his refusal to share a candy bar with her, it’d rightly outrage people who know that if he ate the candy, he’d be doing something legitimately unhealthy for himself.
She’s so self-centered she needs a time-out with a pineapple buttplug. But in this case, a plush unicorn would be funnier.
I don’t know if anyone else pointed it out, but it’s very possible that Roz has aspects of sex addiction herself, so by denying it exists for Jacob, she’s also denying it within herself.
I feel for Jacob. It isn’t always easy to say “no”. It’s difficult for beautiful people like myself (ha!). But good on’em- at least he’s making an effort to help himself.
So that’s what she calls it.
I’m having a hard time understanding why there’s so much anti-Roz sentiment down here in the comments. I personally kinda like Roz and have known many girls much worse, whom I get along with great. And even if we stick to the characters in Shortpacked, Robin has proven multiple times worse. Let’s compare.
When Roz first turned up she helped solve some long-running problems with the main characters by being attentive and serious.
When Robin first turned up, she caused lots of long-running problems with the main characters by being oblivious and selfish.
When Roz moved into the area, she moved into a vacant room owned by her older sister, going so far as to pack up Ethan’s toys carefully and considerately.
When Robin moved into the area, she moved into Amber’s tiny apartment, by being both verbally abusive and using emotional blackmail. Purely so that she could live next to Ethan, the guy she had a crush on.
Speaking of which.
Roz is being direct with her intentions towards Jacob. Even if she is being insensitive towards his addiction, she’s making her motives clear from the start.
Robin, however, is a whole other story. I’m quite certain neither Ethan nor Amber are over the emotional turmoil Robin put them through over the course of several years.
I’m not saying any of this makes Roz any better. But she certainly doesn’t deserve the kind of hatred being directed at her. Especially since the only person she has been outwardly mean to has been her older sister, who has been previously shown to deserve it.
And as a side note. I do find Roz attractive for a cartoon.
The thing is, you know where you stand with Robin. Yes, she’s done a LOT of terrible things, but she was never subtle about it. You knew that all her actions were the result of her having the mental maturity and impulse control of a toddler on a sugar high. You’ll note, in all those situations, Robin fails to realize that her actions have consequences until those consequences are staring her right in the face. And even then, she’s obliviously.
Roz meanwhile is obviously a lot more skilled at getting what she wants than Robin is, and has has demonstrated a great deal more mental maturity than her. Her actions are just as selfish as Robin’s have been, but unlike Robin she’s aware that her actions have consequences. And so she is intentionally putting on these fake-personalities, and manipulating those around her to suit her personal needs, in the hopes of avoiding those consequences. She does one small nice thing like packaging Ethan’s toys, in the hopes that it will help make him overlook the fact she’s moving into their home without their permission (which by the way, the home is under Leslie’s name, not Robin’s, so Roz should have gone after her).
Roz’s reaction to Jacob’s situation comes off as one of the few times we’ve really seen the true Roz. We saw a glimpse of true selfish behavior.
This is not my attempts at justification of Robin or Roz’s behavior, mind you. But someone once said that its easier to forgive the dunce who doesn’t know any better, as opposed to the master-mind. Or something along those lines.
And remember, this comic isn’t about Robin. It’s about Roz’s current actions that are bothering us.
So we should just forgive Robin for all of the terrible things she’s done just because she’s an idiot? But because Roz knows that her actions have consequences we should berate her? I’ve never liked double-standards much, so I don’t apply them. (As much as humanly possible, at least).
I’d also like to ask where you get the idea that Roz is putting on fake personalities. As far as I can tell she’s been pretty consistent in her desire to get what she wants in as blunt a manner as possible.
And I’m going to have to check the archives now to find out if Roz actually knows that the house is in Leslie’s name. Because according to your own standards, if Roz didn’t know then she can’t be blamed right?
Gorramit, does anyone know the exact date Roz first turned up? Because she’s not in the Walkypedia yet.
No, as I said, I’m not justifying her actions, nor am I saying either situation is preferable. I’m just explaining logically why people might feel one way over the other out of instinct, not conscious logical thought.
I personally feel they are both bad girls for how they have handled obviously similar scenarios (i.e. moving into a place without permission). However, Robin comes off as more genuine than Roz does. You know Robin is being Robin. Roz… I feel like she’s being what she thinks people want to her be.
Perhaps this does create the fact that many people could prefer one to the other. Not by much mind you, because I agree, both should be held to the same standards. And in some ways they have. Most of the characters don’t really like Robin that much (both Ethan and Amber have shown times of open disdain for her). And I’m sure there is a large selection of fans who have wanted Robin smacked around for her actions.
But again, that’s not the case her. You’re suprised by people’s hatred of Roz. Robin doesn’t even appear in this comic. All we’re discussing is how people here don’t like the way Roz is behaving in THIS particular comic.
As for Roz’s fake personalities that impression (at least for me) comes from two thing.
1. My personal reaction to her upon her introduction. She came off as every fake girl I’ve ever known (which unfortunately is a lot). The ones who will do nice stuff in the hopes of getting something bigger and better in return.
2. Was Leslie’s reaction to Roz. Leslie is essentially the most logical person regarding the group in most scenarios. And although Les was nice to Roz, she herself stated that Roz did not come off as real. (http://www.shortpacked.com/blog/comic/book-9/07-hello-roz-goodbye-reagan/authentic/) Her reaction was exactly how I felt about the character.
And if Roz knew that Amber was forced to move out, and knew enough that there was an empty room, and thus made to move in, I think she would have known who’s name was on the house. I mean, obviously she’s keeping tabs on them.
And either way, she moved in without telling the actual residences of the place until she was already there. Just moving in and saying “I’m living here now” doesn’t go over well normally.
But people’s angry reaction to Roz versus their accepting reaction to Robin is my point. If you’re gonna hold one person up to a certain standard then you should hold the other person up to the same.
I would like to clarify that the previous comment was to everybody, not you AMD. You are holding them both up to the same.
And here’s a link showing the other characters jumping to Roz’s defence when Robin mentions using physical violence. Even Mike.
http://www.shortpacked.com/blog/comic/book-9/07-hello-roz-goodbye-reagan/macbook/
As for Roz coming off as fake…. From what I can tell re-reading the archives, all she does is respond differently to different people. She doesn’t contradict her likes or dislikes, or do a massive turnaround in personality. If anything, she seems rather genuine. She even admits to her own superficiality.
And as for moving in unnanounced. Robin did say this.
http://www.shortpacked.com/blog/comic/book-9/07-hello-roz-goodbye-reagan/bus/
But as I said, I’m betting people have the same reactions to Robin’s behavior as they do to Roz’s behavior in this comic. You just can’t see it because the comment areas regarding Robin’s earlier misdeeds (i.e. moving in forcefully with Amber) are blank, due to David changing the site-design long those stories ended. There’s probably plenty of Robin-related rage in the old forums or something.
While people accept Robin (partly because she’s been a primary character who fans have been reading about for years and years in two separate comic series thus growing accustomed to her, and partly because of her child-like impulsive nature making her slightly more adorable, much like a dog eats a house plant but doesn’t realize that was a bad thing), that doesn’t mean that she’s completely immune to the same sort of scorn being aimed at Roz in this particular strip. I’m certain many fans rage against Robin with the same level if not exceeding this level for her actions.
But since this strip, again, is about Roz, that’s where the anger is going. If this had been Robin trying to force Jacob into sex, I’m betting the reaction would be the same.
As for Robin’s comments in that strip regarding physical violence against her sister being rebuffed… well that was the whole point wasn’t it? Roz walks in, and ten seconds later, she’s gotten everyone to love her and side with her. That’s what she does. She get’s people to like her. Part of being a cam-whore. But we saw her interaction with Robin before hand. Roz clearly enjoys antagonizing Robin (what younger sibling doesn’t?).
When she met the group, she didn’t seem like the same person who greeted Robin at the bus. And even Roz admits to being shallow in a later strip. She doesn’t go for depth, but instead she goes for a surface appearance. And in this case, she showed them each the sort of person they wanted see and probably wanted Robin to be like. For Amber she got someone who appreciated her quiet nature. For Ethan he got someone who showed him attention, but offered to him cute boys. For Mike, he got someone who had no issue with his looks of murder. She tailored herself for each of them.
No, she didn’t contradict herself. That’s the sign of a true master. Like Leslie said, she’s like a used car salesman. She tailors her pitch to each person, while never dropping the ball. She jumps from one to another, giving them something they’d like, hoping to get a nibble. Its nice, but there’s something artificial about it.
And you have to remember that all of the other characters are single children (I think), and probably don’t understand what its like to have sibling rivalry. So the idea that Robin could dislike Roz is unthinkable to them. They don’t realize that Robin has grown up with Roz and knows her better than they do, and that perhaps Robin has some particular reasons for his behavior (I’m not saying there is, but its possible).
People usually side with the devil they like, over the devil they hate. Again, it’s a double standard, but a true one, regardless.
And I’m not entirely sure you can really side Mike into any sort of situation like this. He’s Mike. He’d fuck Robin’s mom if he knew it would make her even the slightest bit uncomfortable.
As for moving in, Roz said she should come visit, and Robin agreed. Never did Robin say “You can totally move in without asking.” Roz decided that solely on her own, and didn’t consider anyone else in that decision.
I don’t like Roz because she’s mocking another character’s deep and serious issue. Mocking people where their vulnerable is not cool.
Robin, for all of her screw ups, doesn’t do that.
Hence: People like Robin but are being harsh on Roz.
Haters have to hate, no matter what.
Yes, but we’re used to Robin’s particular brand of awfulness.
Will somebody just please bitchslap her teeth out…
I’d still bang her
I wouldn’t do her with YOUR tongue. I don’t know exactly where she’s been, but I think you would need Google Earth to properly plot the points.
I honestly don’t see a ton wrong with her actions. Maybe I’m wrong, but there are so many ‘disorders’ and ‘diseases’ that are just a matter of moral (or amoral) decisions that they become overwhelming. Sex Addiction comes off as being the same, and that is what Roz is commenting on.
It’s like Tiger Woods. “I have a sex addiction.” No, Tiger, you are rich and amoral. Hence, Roz’s natural, and comedic, reaction.
But there’s a difference between Tiger Woods and Jacob. Woods only claimed sexual addiction after he was caught cheating on his spouce.
Jacob has been claiming sexual addiction for years, because he realized that he was totally consumed by the desire to have sex, admitted to himself that he had a problem, and has actively abstained from allowing his addiction from consuming his life further.
Woods’ behavior, as you mentioned was amoral. Jacobs is coming from a deeply personal and moral standpoint. He truly feels that he has a problem, and is doing something about it. Woods would have kept going because he could.
Three! Ah, ah, ah!
lol. Don’t ever go away, Andrusi.
I guess Roz thinks that physical addiction is a myth. But then again, this is Robin’s sister after, so she more than likely has the same view of reality; she ignores things that go against her desires.
Wait, “Mike Doesn’t Fuck Amber’s Mom”? Oh Cheese, does that mean Jacob fucks Amber’s mom?!?
Why do you want to see someone shag Amber’s mom?
And this is where Ethan comes in, asking in disbelief, “You have a Unicron?!”
Where’s Connie?!!?!?!?
It’s kinda sad, but I’m finding the comments WAY more fun than the last bunch of strips.
Keep up the good work folks!
I bet half the people arguing that there is no such thing as sex addiction have never had sex.
Ah, the pain in his eyes in panel 2 is genuine. I know your pain, brudda.
I WANNA UNICORN! I WANNA UNICORN! I WANNA UNICORN!
I never thought it was possible for me to dislike a character mire than Faz.
I was wrong.
I was really, really uncomfortable with this entire story line. Poor Jacob. Roz is a terrible human being.
The layout of this one parallels the layout two strips ago, introducing Amber’s mom. Nice setup and foreshadowing, Willis.